[hackerspaces] Does the maker culture get the step on the hackers culture?

[matt]

We have NINA signs at our hackerspace.


On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Volatile Compound <
volatilecompound at gmail.com> wrote:

> I propose that we make cis white male privilege cards for official
> identification purposes at hackmakespaceplaces.  It'll make it so much
> easier to remove any ambiguity as to whom should be oppressing whom.
>
> PROBLEM SOLVED.
>
> - skroo.
>
> On 7/3/14, 2:05 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
> > "I believe there is something *inherently* political in the practice
> > of self-organization for mutual benefit, whether or not the group has
> > broader and more explicit political goals."
> >
> > I agree -- and as Torrie and Yar pointed out, there is an incredible
> > amount of privilege in declaring that you are essentially apolitical.
> > Easy for cis white males to say...
> >
> > --Naomi
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Mars Saxman <mars at redecho.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I'm going to attempt to settle the matter.  A makerspace has machines
> >>> makes physical objects.  A hackerspace doesn't necessarily have
> >>> machines, but has computers and wifi.
> >>
> >> What do you call a space which has machines for making physical
> objects, which also has computers and wifi, which was founded primarily by
> software people who wanted a place to use their angle grinders, which is
> neither about politics nor entirely non-political, which does not have a
> community of its own but which emerged out of a larger, existing,
> semi-political-semi-artistic community, which it continues to serve but no
> longer precisely overlaps, which has no interest in becoming a 501(c)3
> style nonprofit and basically doesn't run any educational programs, but
> also has no intention of ever making any money, which has a group of
> non-democratically-elected managing members who bear formal political
> authority, but which in practical terms runs as a good-natured anarchist
> DIY do-ocracy...?
> >>
> >> We call it ALTSpace. I don't care whether you call it a hackerspace or
> a makerspace, it's a cool place either way.
> >>
> >> I believe there is something *inherently* political in the practice of
> self-organization for mutual benefit, whether or not the group has broader
> and more explicit political goals.
> >>
> >> I believe that the distinction between software and hardware hacking is
> growing steadily less meaningful as our civilization continues the process
> of automating everything in sight.
> >>
> >> Diversity in forms and goals of hackerspaces is a good thing. No one
> box can hold us all. Why fuss about labels?
> >>
> >>
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