<div dir="ltr">We have NINA signs at our hackerspace.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Volatile Compound <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:volatilecompound@gmail.com" target="_blank">volatilecompound@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I propose that we make cis white male privilege cards for official<br>
identification purposes at hackmakespaceplaces. It'll make it so much<br>
easier to remove any ambiguity as to whom should be oppressing whom.<br>
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PROBLEM SOLVED.<br>
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- skroo.<br>
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On 7/3/14, 2:05 PM, Naomi Most wrote:<br>
> "I believe there is something *inherently* political in the practice<br>
> of self-organization for mutual benefit, whether or not the group has<br>
> broader and more explicit political goals."<br>
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> I agree -- and as Torrie and Yar pointed out, there is an incredible<br>
> amount of privilege in declaring that you are essentially apolitical.<br>
> Easy for cis white males to say...<br>
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> --Naomi<br>
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> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Mars Saxman <<a href="mailto:mars@redecho.org">mars@redecho.org</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> I'm going to attempt to settle the matter. A makerspace has machines<br>
>>> makes physical objects. A hackerspace doesn't necessarily have<br>
>>> machines, but has computers and wifi.<br>
>><br>
>> What do you call a space which has machines for making physical objects, which also has computers and wifi, which was founded primarily by software people who wanted a place to use their angle grinders, which is neither about politics nor entirely non-political, which does not have a community of its own but which emerged out of a larger, existing, semi-political-semi-artistic community, which it continues to serve but no longer precisely overlaps, which has no interest in becoming a 501(c)3 style nonprofit and basically doesn't run any educational programs, but also has no intention of ever making any money, which has a group of non-democratically-elected managing members who bear formal political authority, but which in practical terms runs as a good-natured anarchist DIY do-ocracy...?<br>
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>> We call it ALTSpace. I don't care whether you call it a hackerspace or a makerspace, it's a cool place either way.<br>
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>> I believe there is something *inherently* political in the practice of self-organization for mutual benefit, whether or not the group has broader and more explicit political goals.<br>
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>> I believe that the distinction between software and hardware hacking is growing steadily less meaningful as our civilization continues the process of automating everything in sight.<br>
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>> Diversity in forms and goals of hackerspaces is a good thing. No one box can hold us all. Why fuss about labels?<br>
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