[hackerspaces] Does the maker culture get the step on the hackers culture?

[Aurélien DESBRIÈRES]

Jens, completly agree about the point of view of most of people on the
words hackers. (here in Corsica)

Well, i continue to use that term, getting time to explain them the
importance of words and the basic diffenrence.

Most of time that interest them and want to know more.

...

Politics, religion, sexism and racism, Naomi, I like Hacking, because
that get me out all that "black point".

Hacking / Making is :

(and i just speak for me)

a way to make things with my brain and my hands and get me out by the
way this world the media and economics build around us.

You will certainly say that by the way i do not live in the reality. But
the fact is that i live in a Scientist and Technological reality far
from negative point.

Well, I join hackerspaces for the point I have of practice tech.

The rest should be on another mailing list.



Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:

> "I believe there is something *inherently* political in the practice
> of self-organization for mutual benefit, whether or not the group has
> broader and more explicit political goals."
>
> I agree -- and as Torrie and Yar pointed out, there is an incredible
> amount of privilege in declaring that you are essentially apolitical.
> Easy for cis white males to say...
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Mars Saxman <mars at redecho.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm going to attempt to settle the matter.  A makerspace has machines
>>> makes physical objects.  A hackerspace doesn't necessarily have
>>> machines, but has computers and wifi.
>>
>> What do you call a space which has machines for making physical
>> objects, which also has computers and wifi, which was founded
>> primarily by software people who wanted a place to use their angle
>> grinders, which is neither about politics nor entirely
>> non-political, which does not have a community of its own but which
>> emerged out of a larger, existing, semi-political-semi-artistic
>> community, which it continues to serve but no longer precisely
>> overlaps, which has no interest in becoming a 501(c)3 style
>> nonprofit and basically doesn't run any educational programs, but
>> also has no intention of ever making any money, which has a group of
>> non-democratically-elected managing members who bear formal
>> political authority, but which in practical terms runs as a
>> good-natured anarchist DIY do-ocracy...?
>>
>> We call it ALTSpace. I don't care whether you call it a hackerspace or a makerspace, it's a cool place either way.
>>
>> I believe there is something *inherently* political in the practice
>> of self-organization for mutual benefit, whether or not the group
>> has broader and more explicit political goals.
>>
>> I believe that the distinction between software and hardware hacking
>> is growing steadily less meaningful as our civilization continues
>> the process of automating everything in sight.
>>
>> Diversity in forms and goals of hackerspaces is a good thing. No one box can hold us all. Why fuss about labels?
>>
>>
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