[hackerspaces] Hackerspace drama, oh my!

[Aurélien DESBRIÈRES]

just call them crackers.

Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:

> Many people actively "hacking the hackerspace" believe they are doing
> the hackerspace a favor.
>
> It's telling that you quote from Plato.
>
> Semantics can only get you so far.  At some point you have to
> recognize when there are people in your midst whose moral compass
> leads them to a very different place than you were expecting.
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 12:04 AM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
> <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> "One should be permitted to hack a hackerspace, though in a non-
>>> destructive fashion."
>>
>> Hackers ... are not crackers.
>>
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Hacker
>>
>> It should be fine from hackerspaces to works on the importance of the
>> choice of words.
>>
>> "False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul
>> with evil." ~ Plato
>>
>>
>>
>>> Permission implies that the right can be denied or that the activity
>>> in question can be prevented...
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:32 AM, Torrie Fischer <tdfischer at hackerbots.net> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, July 02, 2014 13:44:01 David Potocnik wrote:
>>>>> There's another perspective to this.
>>>>> I guess Torrie & the hackers of Ackron are going to be okay - they
>>>>> started a new space right? They moved their stuff and got another
>>>>> lease and all is well?
>>>>
>>>> Nope. Board took everything. They also took the $15k in the banking account
>>>> and moved it to some other bank without informing the membership or anything,
>>>> and is disregarding the portions of the bylaws that explicitly state such
>>>> things need to have transparency.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Advice I give most folks starting a hackerspace, start a community
>>>>> first.  Find the people you want to start the space with.  Worry about
>>>>> that.  because at the end of the day, even if you don't have a space,
>>>>> that community is worth way way more."
>>>>>
>>>>> ...Or just simplify building spaces (sharing protocols & know-how),
>>>>> build a lot of them and cross-pollinate (travel, hang out). Fork,
>>>>> collaborate, merge. Set up varieties, name them and setup
>>>>> instances of them. Find and argue about good practices and patterns
>>>>> with whoever comes to this platform.
>>>>> As the thing progresses on we'll keep having a clearer and clearer
>>>>> cartography of different hacker belief systems, and a better idea of
>>>>> how they can and cannot coexist.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is the more stable isotopos: Coworking spaces, Makerspaces, Fablabs.
>>>>> I believe Hackerspaces and Hackbases (live-in hackerspaces) should be
>>>>> unstable, and definitely not without politics.
>>>>> They should be, and sometimes are, avantgarde experimental political
>>>>> machines.
>>>>
>>>> Well said. One should be permitted to hack a hackerspace, though in a non-
>>>> destructive fashion.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> David
>>>>> from CHT#1 hackbase /\/ http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Cyberhippietotalism
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2 July 2014 04:07, Ryan Rix <ry at n.rix.si> wrote:
>>>>> > matt <matt at nycresistor.com> writes:
>>>>> >> I think this boils down to the dichotomy of hackerspace vs co-working
>>>>> >> space.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If you build up infrastructure and expect a community to show up in
>>>>> >> it, don't be surprised if more than one community shows up, or the
>>>>> >> community that shows up is not one you want to be a part of.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Noisebridge suffers the tragedy of the commons in a pretty severe
>>>>> >> way... having had mole people living in their basement and bi-polar
>>>>> >> homeless people show up and and claim they are 'sleep hacking'.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> That's not what I am talking about. What I am talking about is the
>>>>> >> last line in that piece :
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> "A lot of this can be traced to our collective inability to remember
>>>>> >> our core pillars of consensus, excellence, and do-ocracy. There is no
>>>>> >> one person or event that can be blamed. As a community, we failed to
>>>>> >> hold close the values we had. We were hacked by policy hackers."
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Now I don't know anything about synhak... so I am just going to speak
>>>>> >> to the perspective brought forth by the person who wrote this piece.
>>>>> >> This is a person who enjoyed the community that arrived at synhak in
>>>>> >> the early days. As the space grew and changed and time went on, so did
>>>>> >> the culture and so did the community.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I think Torrie is talking specific solutions but not seeing the forest
>>>>> >> through the trees. When torrie talks about common values along side
>>>>> >> mission statement, and limiting growth of new membership. What she is
>>>>> >> really talking about is fostering a community rather than
>>>>> >> infrastructure. She's focusing more on being with the people she wants
>>>>> >> to be with, than focusing on building a space.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> And I think that has worked out very well for NYC Resistor. We like
>>>>> >> each other. We've liked each other with fairly decent success for 5-6
>>>>> >> years. And while folks have grown apart and there has been some
>>>>> >> inevitable culture shift. The community has remained strong.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> So, the answer is simple. Synhak like noisebridge built a space. And
>>>>> >> communities fought for it, and some took it and some lost it. Much
>>>>> >> like noisebridge. NYC Resistor built a community in a coffee shop...
>>>>> >> everything else came later.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Advice I give most folks starting a hackerspace, start a community
>>>>> >> first. Find the people you want to start the space with. Worry about
>>>>> >> that. because at the end of the day, even if you don't have a space,
>>>>> >> that community is worth way way more.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Well written, Matt.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > r
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