[hackerspaces] Hackerspace drama, oh my!

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Thu Jul 3 03:50:11 CEST 2014

Also: I was hanging around Sudo Room for a year in 2012 right after
they got their new space.  There was a lot of "at least we're not
Noisebridge" during that formative time.

That is the reason I used Sudo Room as an example.  (With apologies to
Matt and Jenny whom I have deepest respect for.)

Also: why it's hilarious to me that whenever someone from noisebridge
talks about Noisebridge, everyone from not-Noisebridge thinks (a) they
are hearing a person defending Noisebridge and (b) that they are an
expert on what's happened at Noisebridge.

I don't claim to understand your spaces even half as well as you think
you understand mine.

On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> The "meta point" being that no one should model a hackerspace on Noisebridge?
> That may be true.  I have no stake in that particular game.
> There are dozens of ways to model a hackerspace, and I wouldn't say
> Noisebridge has the best one.  It's an interesting model, and one I
> feel is worth pursuing because it is hard, and I perceive there to be
> payoffs in figuring it out without compromising its ideals.  You may
> disagree.
> But the original point *I* was addressing was the assertion that if
> you start with a community and then build an organization, that the
> rest will basically follow.
> I used Noisebridge as a counterexample to THAT point.
> Noisebridge is a great example of how organizations based on culture
> and minimal policy can easily shift, even pushing its original members
> out, simply by being unaware of how the rapid influx of new people
> (ANY new people, not the oft-demonized Occupy and so on) changes the
> culture by sheer weight.
> That's not the only lesson learned from the last 5 years at 2169
> Mission St, but it is one of the biggest ones.
> Again: if you guys can't see past "at least we aren't Noisebridge",
> you're never going to be able to learn from our mistakes.
> --Naomi
> On Wed, Jul 2, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
>> Naomi,
>> sudoroom has the same problems as noisebridge because it explicitly modeled
>> itself on noisebridge with consensus decision making, an open door policy to
>> the street, and a political, social justice mission. They've gone as far as
>> to say a space isn't a real hackerspace if it isn't political.
>> Your counterexample proves the meta point...
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