[hackerspaces] Please explain this to me

[Danny O'Brien]

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Phil Broussard <phillip at squidfoo.com> wrote:
> So the message I'm supposed to get from this is that had it not been for the
> hippies I wouldn't have a hackerspace to be a part of? That they are a
> response to bourgeois society and based around the anarchist mentality and
> an anti government movement?
>
> I just can't accept that this is how hakerspaces came into being. There were
> things like hackerspaces before the first ones in the 90's. First thing that
> comes to mind is how garages used to rent out a bays for a person to work on
> a car. Tools provided, more experienced "members" to mentor you. This wasn't
> because of a counter culture movement. It was because there were a group of
> people that liked doing the same thing.
>
> If this article is meant to bring a philosophical point of view to the
> growth of hackerspaces, so be it. It just seams like a real stretch. I would
> really enjoy an article that documents how things started with places like
> New Hack City and Hasty Pastry and progressed to our current place in time.
> Especially if it included how the changes in technology influenced the
> growth of new spaces.

I think if you start from there, you end up with one narrative, but if
you start from the European model, you end up with another.

http://peerproduction.net/issues/issue-2/peer-reviewed-papers/hacklabs-and-hackerspaces/
might be a good document to get a feel for how they interrelate.

It's worth saying, by the way, that the Homebrew Computer Club, which
someone else pointed up as being seeds of one of the explicitly
non-political routes, was pretty closely tied with the Free Speech
movement in Berkeley via Lee Felsenstein, so in the south bay at
least, there's always been a somewhat explicit counter-culture
connection (see
http://www.amazon.com/What-Dormouse-Said-Counterculture-Personal/dp/0143036769
), but then it's a bit hard to get away from that in the San Francisco
region. I think cupcakes probably have an explicitly ideological slant
in this city.

d.


>
> Phil
>
>
> On 7/23/2013 6:49 PM, hellekin wrote:
>>
>> On 07/23/2013 07:34 PM, Phil Broussard wrote:
>>>
>>> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Rewriting_Hacking_the_Spaces
>>>
>> *** One of the most serious, if not the ulticheck-and-mately grave
>> thingie, written on hackerspaces ever. By a human being that is.
>>
>>> Is this just something some one posted on the site or is this meant to
>>> be taken seriously? I'm not trying to start an argument or insult
>>> anyone. I'm honestly having a very difficult time connecting the dots.
>>>
>> *** I'm having a difficult time seeing what dots do not connect. Can you
>> be a bit more explicit?
>>
>> ==
>> hk
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