[hackerspaces] Hackers, feminism, and bullying

[Al Billings]

Aka quit trying so hard to prove you aren't sexist and a troll while exhibiting that exact behavior as your defense. 

-- 
Al Billings
http://openbuddha.com


On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 6:45 PM, Al Billings wrote:

> You're very stridently making the points in favor of everyone you're arguing with, Matt.
> 
> I don't really care enough about your opinion to type a lengthier response on my phone. Enjoy being an asshole and have a good life.
> 
> Al 
> 
> -- 
> Al Billings
> http://openbuddha.com
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> 
> > Not trolling at all. I think that may be the dumbest thing I've read
> > all week.
> > 
> > You seriously don't see how utterly ridiculous that is? Let me psuedo
> > code this for you.
> > 
> > Here's a quick simplified logic set for your tone argument.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > import geekfeminism.wikia.com as legitimate.argument
> > 
> > expression_function_array[] = [ talk, write, sign, be an unbelievable
> > jerk, sing, interpretive dance, mood ring, self immolate , etc , etc2
> > ]
> > 
> > express_self() {
> > feedback = ( expression_function_array[] )
> > return feedback
> > }
> > 
> > evaluate_feedback(feedback) {
> > switch feedback :
> > case: 'concerned about your tone'
> > evaluation = legitimate.argument.tone_Argument()
> > default:
> > evaluation = do_whatever()
> > return evaluation
> > }
> > 
> > main() {
> > 
> > feedback = express_self()
> > evaluation = evaluate_feedback(feedback)
> > if ( evaluation == legitimate.argument.tone_Argument() ) {
> > 'person providing feedback is attempting to avoid acceptance of
> > my concerns and I am being oppressed'
> > }
> > 
> > }
> > 
> > Now the first problem is that you imported from geekfeminism.wikia.com
> > a method and tried to apply it to your life. Adhering to the basic
> > tenets of random websites is no way to go through life.
> > 
> > The second problem is if express_self is using an array of express
> > functions. That's not an array. When you express yourself, there is
> > always a tone component. Sometimes we can set that component to NULL,
> > but for talking or sounding like an offensive jerk there is a definite
> > tone value.
> > 
> > So you should be using a dictionary there rather than an array.
> > 
> > And then you need to take the tone associated with any function of
> > expression into account when evaluating the feedback. Because there
> > is a chance that your tone has a finite state of offensive. That
> > would warrant a concern about your tone in the feedback that is
> > implicit. It's not generated as a result of your expressed data.
> > It's generated as a result of the expression function you used to
> > transmit that data. More to the point when this condition occurs
> > there is no bearing on the gender of the person or their position on
> > feminism or any other topic you may be transmitting data concerning.
> > 
> > Let me explain again in psuedo code. I'll demonstrate with the unsafe
> > geekfeminism.wikia.com class still loaded.
> > 
> > # Not a standard library. Unauthenticated and dangerous prototype code
> > import geekfeminism.wikia.com as legitimate.argument
> > 
> > expression_function_array[] = { [talk, tone=normal] , [write,
> > tone=NULL] , [sign, tone=NULL] , [be an unbelievable jerk,
> > tone=offensive] , [sing, tone=melodic] , [ interpretive dance,
> > tone=NULL] , [ mood ring, tone=pastels ] , [ self immolate, tone=NULL]
> > , [ etc, tone=VALUE ] , [ etc2 , tone=VALUE ] }
> > 
> > express_self() {
> > feedback = ( expression_function_dict{} )
> > return feedback
> > }
> > 
> > evaluate_feedback(feedback) {
> > switch feedback :
> > case: 'concerned about your tone'
> > if ( tone == offensive ) {
> > print "tone offensive must load politeness module with
> > manners class instantiated")
> > exit(2)
> > } elsif ( tone == normal ) {
> > evaluation = legitimate.argument.tone_Argument()
> > } else {
> > evaluation = danger.possible.nutbag.raise_alert()
> > }
> > default:
> > evaluation = do_whatever()
> > return evaluation
> > }
> > 
> > main() {
> > 
> > feedback = express_self()
> > evaluation = evaluate_feedback(feedback)
> > if ( evaluation == legitimate.argument.tone_Argument() ) {
> > 'person providing feedback is attempting to avoid acceptance of
> > my concerns and I am being oppressed'
> > } else {
> > 'run for your very life this person could very well be a lunatic'
> > }
> > 
> > }
> > 
> > 
> > So this is a quick and simple fix to the logic for instantiating the
> > tonal argument that will solve for the case in which your tone is
> > offensive.
> > 
> > In reality there's still a problem. And that's with the tonal
> > argument method itself. It's using non explicitly defined values
> > improperly and the whole argument if called will segfault your
> > application of it.
> > 
> > Basically you can't use it without your application exploding all over
> > the place.
> > 
> > -Matt
> > 
> > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > > I agree that it is stupid when people tone police but it happens over and
> > > over again. See this entire thread (including posts by you).
> > > 
> > > I see you signed your name so I can assume you're not simply trolling right
> > > now?
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Al Billings
> > > http://www.openbuddha.com
> > > http://makehacklearn.org
> > > 
> > > On Friday, January 18, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> > > 
> > > That is mind bogglingly stupid. And I don't mind saying so. You can
> > > quote me on that.
> > > 
> > > -Matt
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > AKA "woman or other minority raises concern, dominant group responds with
> > > criticisms of how concern was stated rather than addressing concern."
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Al Billings
> > > http://www.openbuddha.com
> > > http://makehacklearn.org
> > > 
> > > 
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