[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?

[Michel Gallant]

Dragging them into the debate in the first place was just an attempt at
deflecting the discussion away from killing machines.


On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:50 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was not simply talking about nerf & nail guns.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm not talking about nail guns or nerf guns, nice try.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nail gun, Nerf Gun.
>>> I'll agree that guns were originally designed for ending lives, but they
>>> are now also used for target shooting.  In the Case of nerf guns they are
>>> just plain fun.  They have been modified to shoot nails, staples, etc.
>>> Also T-Shirts and Potato guns.
>>>
>>> With that said, Look at what the goal of the hacker space is, look at
>>> the members, local, state & national laws, and make a decision best for
>>> your space.  I for one do not plan on denying entry to those carrying.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was addressing Pete's equivocation of guns with other tools. A gun is
>>>> a tool for ending lives. Why is it insane to be afraid of having that
>>>> dangerous, single-use tool at a hackerspace?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Phillip Rhodes <
>>>> motley.crue.fan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If that were true, then how could anyone ever use a drill press, band
>>>>> saw, lathe, etc.
>>>>> I think having a healthy-respect for tools is one thing, but being
>>>>> *afraid* of them is quite
>>>>> something else.  But maybe we're just debating semantics?
>>>>>
>>>>> At any rate, all tools can be dangerous and deserve to be used with
>>>>> care and
>>>>> the proper precautions.  In that regard, how is a pistol any different
>>>>> from a band-saw?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > Being afraid of tools that can rip your fingers off isn't insane,
>>>>> it's
>>>>> > healthy. You are insane to claim otherwise.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Mark Atwood <me at mark.atwood.name>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Here's a quick question for US-based hacker/makerspaces... Do you
>>>>> have a
>>>>> >> > firearms ban at your space, and if so, what are some of the
>>>>> reasons behind
>>>>> >> > the decision?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> We don't have a rule at our space.  Our space is a member-oriented
>>>>> >> space, no "general public" except as guests of members or as
>>>>> visitors
>>>>> >> to specific private events.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> If such a rule was proposed, I would argue strongly against it.  If
>>>>> >> someone is a legal owner/carrier of a firearm, if we can't trust
>>>>> them
>>>>> >> with their gun, we can't trust them with all the tools *either*.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> More generally, if someone in a makerspace is "afraid" of guns,
>>>>> that's
>>>>> >> insane.  They should be afraid of all the other tools too.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> ..m
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