[hackerspaces] Firearms in Hackerspaces?

[Al Billings]

Remind me again why I want guns in my hackerspace? 

I say this as someone who grew up shooting with hunting family too. 

-- 
Al Billings
http://www.openbuddha.com
http://makehacklearn.org


On Monday, January 14, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:

> Because there is, in general, absolutely ZERO reason to think that
> said single-use tool
> would be directed at you, or even used at all. The truth is, at
> least in the US, far less than
> one half of one percent of civilian firearms are ever used in the
> commission of a crime, much
> less a homicide. And while everybody rants about the "gun violence"
> problem, people conveniently
> overlook two facts: 1. mass shootings are statistically rare to the
> point of being nothing more than
> noise in the signal. You're approximately as likely to be killed by a
> lightning strike as to be killed in
> a mass shooting. 2. Of the firearms deaths that *do* happen a
> significant percentage are suicide, or involve
> gang members / drug users killing / robbing each other. So, unless
> you routinely have drug deals going down
> in your space, or you invite the local Crips or Bloods chapter into
> visit, it's absolutely ridiculous to be deathly
> afraid of a firearm carried by a run-of-the-mill, law-abiding citizen.
> Even more so if they have a concealed
> carry permit, because the people who go to the effort to get their CCW
> permits are even less likely to use their
> firearms to commit a crime.
> 
> 
> Phil
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com (mailto:sfxman at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > I was addressing Pete's equivocation of guns with other tools. A gun is a
> > tool for ending lives. Why is it insane to be afraid of having that
> > dangerous, single-use tool at a hackerspace?
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Phillip Rhodes <motley.crue.fan at gmail.com (mailto:motley.crue.fan at gmail.com)>
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > If that were true, then how could anyone ever use a drill press, band
> > > saw, lathe, etc.
> > > I think having a healthy-respect for tools is one thing, but being
> > > *afraid* of them is quite
> > > something else. But maybe we're just debating semantics?
> > > 
> > > At any rate, all tools can be dangerous and deserve to be used with care
> > > and
> > > the proper precautions. In that regard, how is a pistol any different
> > > from a band-saw?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Phil
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 3:24 PM, Michel Gallant <sfxman at gmail.com (mailto:sfxman at gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > > Being afraid of tools that can rip your fingers off isn't insane, it's
> > > > healthy. You are insane to claim otherwise.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Mark Atwood <me at mark.atwood.name (mailto:me at mark.atwood.name)>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com (mailto:raster at gmail.com)>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Here's a quick question for US-based hacker/makerspaces... Do you
> > > > > > have a
> > > > > > firearms ban at your space, and if so, what are some of the reasons
> > > > > > behind
> > > > > > the decision?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > We don't have a rule at our space. Our space is a member-oriented
> > > > > space, no "general public" except as guests of members or as visitors
> > > > > to specific private events.
> > > > > 
> > > > > If such a rule was proposed, I would argue strongly against it. If
> > > > > someone is a legal owner/carrier of a firearm, if we can't trust them
> > > > > with their gun, we can't trust them with all the tools *either*.
> > > > > 
> > > > > More generally, if someone in a makerspace is "afraid" of guns, that's
> > > > > insane. They should be afraid of all the other tools too.
> > > > > 
> > > > > ..m
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