[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

Colin Keigher general at keyboardcowboy.ca
Thu Oct 18 02:14:21 CEST 2012 

Do you seriously believe that this is going to anywhere?

- Colin

On 2012-10-17 12:29, Psy Tek wrote:
> Got a report in Capital New
> 
> York!http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2012/10/6538330/one-mans-dream-5-m-eco-hacker-colony-farms-stores-and-sleeping-pods-
> [10]
>
> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Hackerspaces,
>>
>> We've open sourced the 3d Maya file that we've been working on the 
>> past few months.  We'd love to hear your feedback!
>>
>> http://www.indiegogo.com/hackert0wn?c=activity&a=1498290 [9]
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> psytek
>>
>> P.S. We've also split the project into phases as per the suggestions 
>> and added much more concrete details.  Keep the feedback coming!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Colin Keigher 
>> <general at keyboardcowboy.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> This was showcased at Vancouver Maker Faire in 2011, but here's an 
>>> example of shipping containers in use for a mini movie theatre:
>>>
>>> http://www.containr.com/ [7]
>>>
>>> It was pretty neat but when it was raining that weekend, the 
>>> container was the last place I wanted to be as the floor was not only 
>>> wet from people walking inside, but it was leaking from the top. 
>>> These were 30+ year old containers that had probably been across the 
>>> ocean umpteen times and were rusting through. Most resales of 
>>> containers are of this age and suffer the same problem. Even the 
>>> moving companies that buy these shipping containers are selling the 
>>> refurbed kind.
>>>
>>> To further back up the claim that it is expensive to get them 
>>> refurbished, here's a anti-homeless initiative where containers were 
>>> turned into shelters.
>>>
>>> 
>>> http://www.trucknews.com/news/vancouver-fleet-converts-shipping-container-to-homeless-shelter/1000357427/ 
>>> [8]
>>>
>>> And the quote that I'd like to point out:
>>>
>>>>> "This initial (shelter) probably cost in the neighbourhood of
>>>>> $100,000," Reid says. "And our operating costs will probably
>>>>> be around $300 or $400 a day for every day this unit's out
>>>>> there, seven days a week for the winter months."
>>>>>
>>>>> That cost includes a special, winch-equipped truck Reid
>>>>> commissioned to move the shelter.
>>>
>>> These are basic run of the mill units that have been converted to 
>>> solely house homeless individuals at night. If he's proposing to do 
>>> this for $1.5 million with 11 units, he's going to blow through that 
>>> cash really quickly if he wants them to be anything more than simple 
>>> sleeping units.
>>>
>>> My city has the busiest port on the West Coast and I wouldn't dare 
>>> use a shipping container for more than anything than it is intended 
>>> for.
>>>
>>> - Colin
>>>
>>> On 2012-10-03 13:53, Matt Joyce wrote:
>>>
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.archdaily.com/27386/platoon-kunsthalle-graft-architects/ 
>>>> [6]
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to point out a couple things.
>>>>
>>>> Note the foundation, roof, electrical... etc.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that this was built in Seoul South Korea.
>>>>
>>>> Also note that no cost estimate was included.  My guess is they 
>>>> spent
>>>> more than 1.5 mil USD equivalent even in Seoul.
>>>>
>>>> This might give you an idea of just how much of an operation this 
>>>> was:
>>>>
>>>> concept design: PLATOON cultural development
>>>> architectural consultancy: GRAFT architects + Baik Jiwon
>>>> executive architect: U-il Architects & Engineers
>>>> prefab engineering: Ace special container, Korea
>>>> structural engineering: MIDAS IT, Korea
>>>> interior design: URBANTAINER, Korea
>>>> main contractor: Hyojung construction & development, Korea
>>>> location: 97-22, Nonhyeon-dong, Gangnam-gu,Seoul, Korea
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: Graft assisted Platoon in the architectural development of 
>>>> the
>>>> Kunsthalle, which is based on the signature container modules as
>>>> developed by Platoon for their first container setup in Berlin. 
>>>> The
>>>> optimized arrangement of the containers in Seoul was developed in
>>>> brainstorming sessions between Platoon and Graft and developed and
>>>> illustrated by Graft.
>>>> The interior design finishes and furniture are developed by 
>>>> Platoon
>>>> and Baik Jiwon.
>>>>
>>>> -Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> We have a lot of work to do on this.  Thank you all for the 
>>>>> valuable
>>>>> feedback.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here's a similar project that uses 40 shipping containers:
>>>>> http://www.kunsthalle.com/ [2]
>>>>>
>>>>> We've created a uservoice page here 
>>>>> http://hackert0wn.uservoice.com [3] to
>>>>> itemize the feedback and keep track of it.
>>>>> Here is an etherpad if you prefer to jot some notes:
>>>>> http://piratepad.net/aZ6OaNoGFx [4]
>>>>>
>>>>> We also have a Google group where you can see more of the history 
>>>>> of the
>>>>> hackert0wn project here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/hackert0wn [5]
>>>>>
>>>>> psytek
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, William Saturno 
>>>>> <wsaturno at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I had a bump in the road and hit send by accident.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I was Hit with a possible idea When arc light was 
>>>>>> describing The
>>>>>> artist loft he had seen. Perhaps a custom built Simple  Metal 
>>>>>> shed and roof
>>>>>> ( shell ) could be built over the Empty lot And then container 
>>>>>> construction
>>>>>> could start inside. It perhaps could be cheaper then 
>>>>>> retrofitting every
>>>>>> container to be all weather resistant.  It may also be easier to 
>>>>>> get permits
>>>>>> for getting started with a standard building shell on site. Just 
>>>>>> and idea
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 4:32 PM, "William Saturno" <wsaturno at gmail.com> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I completely understand what you're saying about not being able 
>>>>>>> to do
>>>>>>> everything yourself. That will definitely add to the cost
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Perhaps to take a Pageight headed it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 4:01 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to point out hackerdojo just completed a 250k fund 
>>>>>>>> raiser
>>>>>>>> just to get two of their buildings rezoned and bring their 
>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>> building up to code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That gets them pretty much nothing they didn't already have 
>>>>>>>> except a
>>>>>>>> pass from the local city government to use it for people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are things hackers cannot do without gobs of money.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM, William Saturno 
>>>>>>>> <wsaturno at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > One great aspect of this idea is that this plan can become 
>>>>>>>> modular
>>>>>>>> > (pun intended) and be built by breaking it down into build 
>>>>>>>> stages.
>>>>>>>> > Will it be completed for the initial 1.5 investment? 
>>>>>>>> Doubtful. But a
>>>>>>>> > "stage 1" of a plan? Perhaps. Being that this thread is made 
>>>>>>>> up of
>>>>>>>> > mainly members of hackerspaces, you *know* what we can 
>>>>>>>> accomplish on
>>>>>>>> > meager or zero budgets. I also see that first hand at my own 
>>>>>>>> space
>>>>>>>> > what we have accomplished by the passion of membership. 
>>>>>>>>  Now, using
>>>>>>>> > that same hacker resourcefulness and and 'frugal"ness, I 
>>>>>>>> think that if
>>>>>>>> > this idea can reach a critical mass it may have it's own 
>>>>>>>> momentum to
>>>>>>>> > move forward on it's own. I'll be investing what I can on 
>>>>>>>> Indiegogo
>>>>>>>> > towards it. At the very very least, the challenge has been 
>>>>>>>> made to the
>>>>>>>> > status quo.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > Bill Saturno
>>>>>>>> > CT Hackerspace
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ron Bean
>>>>>>>> > <makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> >> Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> writes:
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>Containers are intended to be used INDOORS.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> Wait, what?
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I thought they were intended to he hauled around on trucks, 
>>>>>>>> trains,
>>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>>> >> cargo ships.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >>>They need to be covered and raised off the
>>>>>>>> >>>ground.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> I'd agree with that part.
>>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>>> >> The project page looks like a bunch of different projects 
>>>>>>>> that should
>>>>>>>> >> be
>>>>>>>> >> pursued separately. I don't see the point of making it one 
>>>>>>>> huge
>>>>>>>> >> project.
>>>>>>>> >>
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> [1] http://lists.hackerspaces.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
> [2] http://www.kunsthalle.com/
> [3] http://hackert0wn.uservoice.com
> [4] http://piratepad.net/aZ6OaNoGFx
> [5] https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/hackert0wn
> [6] 
> http://www.archdaily.com/27386/platoon-kunsthalle-graft-architects/
> [7] http://www.containr.com/
> [8]
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> http://www.trucknews.com/news/vancouver-fleet-converts-shipping-container-to-homeless-shelter/1000357427/
> [9] http://www.indiegogo.com/hackert0wn?c=activity&a=1498290
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