[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

Wed Oct 17 21:29:31 CEST 2012

Got a report in Capital New York!
http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/culture/2012/10/6538330/one-mans-dream-5-m-eco-hacker-colony-farms-stores-and-sleeping-pods-

On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 3:01 AM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> wrote:

> Hello Hackerspaces,
>
> We've open sourced the 3d Maya file that we've been working on the past
> few months.  We'd love to hear your feedback!
>
> http://www.indiegogo.com/hackert0wn?c=activity&a=1498290
>
> Thanks,
>
> psytek
>
> P.S. We've also split the project into phases as per the suggestions and
> added much more concrete details.  Keep the feedback coming!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 5:50 PM, Colin Keigher <general at keyboardcowboy.ca>wrote:
>
>> This was showcased at Vancouver Maker Faire in 2011, but here's an
>> example of shipping containers in use for a mini movie theatre:
>>
>> http://www.containr.com/
>>
>> It was pretty neat but when it was raining that weekend, the container
>> was the last place I wanted to be as the floor was not only wet from people
>> walking inside, but it was leaking from the top. These were 30+ year old
>> containers that had probably been across the ocean umpteen times and were
>> rusting through. Most resales of containers are of this age and suffer the
>> same problem. Even the moving companies that buy these shipping containers
>> are selling the refurbed kind.
>>
>> To further back up the claim that it is expensive to get them
>> refurbished, here's a anti-homeless initiative where containers were turned
>> into shelters.
>>
>> http://www.trucknews.com/news/**vancouver-fleet-converts-**
>> shipping-container-to-**homeless-shelter/1000357427/<http://www.trucknews.com/news/vancouver-fleet-converts-shipping-container-to-homeless-shelter/1000357427/>
>>
>> And the quote that I'd like to point out:
>>
>>  "This initial (shelter) probably cost in the neighbourhood of
>>>> $100,000," Reid says. "And our operating costs will probably
>>>> be around $300 or $400 a day for every day this unit's out
>>>> there, seven days a week for the winter months."
>>>>
>>>> That cost includes a special, winch-equipped truck Reid
>>>> commissioned to move the shelter.
>>>>
>>>
>> These are basic run of the mill units that have been converted to solely
>> house homeless individuals at night. If he's proposing to do this for $1.5
>> million with 11 units, he's going to blow through that cash really quickly
>> if he wants them to be anything more than simple sleeping units.
>>
>> My city has the busiest port on the West Coast and I wouldn't dare use a
>> shipping container for more than anything than it is intended for.
>>
>> - Colin
>>
>>
>> On 2012-10-03 13:53, Matt Joyce wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.archdaily.com/**27386/platoon-kunsthalle-**graft-architects/<http://www.archdaily.com/27386/platoon-kunsthalle-graft-architects/>
>>>
>>> I'd like to point out a couple things.
>>>
>>> Note the foundation, roof, electrical... etc.
>>>
>>> Also note that this was built in Seoul South Korea.
>>>
>>> Also note that no cost estimate was included.  My guess is they spent
>>> more than 1.5 mil USD equivalent even in Seoul.
>>>
>>> This might give you an idea of just how much of an operation this was:
>>>
>>> concept design: PLATOON cultural development
>>> architectural consultancy: GRAFT architects + Baik Jiwon
>>> executive architect: U-il Architects & Engineers
>>> prefab engineering: Ace special container, Korea
>>> structural engineering: MIDAS IT, Korea
>>> interior design: URBANTAINER, Korea
>>> main contractor: Hyojung construction & development, Korea
>>> location: 97-22, Nonhyeon-dong, Gangnam-gu,Seoul, Korea
>>>
>>> NOTE: Graft assisted Platoon in the architectural development of the
>>> Kunsthalle, which is based on the signature container modules as
>>> developed by Platoon for their first container setup in Berlin. The
>>> optimized arrangement of the containers in Seoul was developed in
>>> brainstorming sessions between Platoon and Graft and developed and
>>> illustrated by Graft.
>>> The interior design finishes and furniture are developed by Platoon
>>> and Baik Jiwon.
>>>
>>> -Matt
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> We have a lot of work to do on this.  Thank you all for the valuable
>>>> feedback.
>>>>
>>>> Here's a similar project that uses 40 shipping containers:
>>>> http://www.kunsthalle.com/
>>>>
>>>> We've created a uservoice page here http://hackert0wn.uservoice.**com<http://hackert0wn.uservoice.com>to
>>>> itemize the feedback and keep track of it.
>>>> Here is an etherpad if you prefer to jot some notes:
>>>> http://piratepad.net/**aZ6OaNoGFx <http://piratepad.net/aZ6OaNoGFx>
>>>>
>>>> We also have a Google group where you can see more of the history of the
>>>> hackert0wn project here:
>>>>
>>>> https://groups.google.com/**forum/?fromgroups#!forum/**hackert0wn<https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/hackert0wn>
>>>>
>>>> psytek
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, William Saturno <wsaturno at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry, I had a bump in the road and hit send by accident.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I was Hit with a possible idea When arc light was describing
>>>>> The
>>>>> artist loft he had seen. Perhaps a custom built Simple  Metal shed and
>>>>> roof
>>>>> ( shell ) could be built over the Empty lot And then container
>>>>> construction
>>>>> could start inside. It perhaps could be cheaper then retrofitting every
>>>>> container to be all weather resistant.  It may also be easier to get
>>>>> permits
>>>>> for getting started with a standard building shell on site. Just and
>>>>> idea
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 4:32 PM, "William Saturno" <wsaturno at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I completely understand what you're saying about not being able to do
>>>>>> everything yourself. That will definitely add to the cost
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps to take a Pageight headed it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 4:01 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to point out hackerdojo just completed a 250k fund raiser
>>>>>>> just to get two of their buildings rezoned and bring their current
>>>>>>> building up to code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That gets them pretty much nothing they didn't already have except a
>>>>>>> pass from the local city government to use it for people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are things hackers cannot do without gobs of money.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM, William Saturno <wsaturno at gmail.com
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> > One great aspect of this idea is that this plan can become modular
>>>>>>> > (pun intended) and be built by breaking it down into build stages.
>>>>>>> > Will it be completed for the initial 1.5 investment? Doubtful. But
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> > "stage 1" of a plan? Perhaps. Being that this thread is made up of
>>>>>>> > mainly members of hackerspaces, you *know* what we can accomplish
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> > meager or zero budgets. I also see that first hand at my own space
>>>>>>> > what we have accomplished by the passion of membership.  Now, using
>>>>>>> > that same hacker resourcefulness and and 'frugal"ness, I think
>>>>>>> that if
>>>>>>> > this idea can reach a critical mass it may have it's own momentum
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> > move forward on it's own. I'll be investing what I can on Indiegogo
>>>>>>> > towards it. At the very very least, the challenge has been made to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> > status quo.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > Bill Saturno
>>>>>>> > CT Hackerspace
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ron Bean
>>>>>>> > <makerspace at rbean.users.panix.**com<makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> writes:
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>Containers are intended to be used INDOORS.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> Wait, what?
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I thought they were intended to he hauled around on trucks,
>>>>>>> trains,
>>>>>>> >> and
>>>>>>> >> cargo ships.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >>>They need to be covered and raised off the
>>>>>>> >>>ground.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> I'd agree with that part.
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> The project page looks like a bunch of different projects that
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> >> be
>>>>>>> >> pursued separately. I don't see the point of making it one huge
>>>>>>> >> project.
>>>>>>> >>
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