[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

Wed Oct 3 23:50:44 CEST 2012

This was showcased at Vancouver Maker Faire in 2011, but here's an 
example of shipping containers in use for a mini movie theatre:

http://www.containr.com/

It was pretty neat but when it was raining that weekend, the container 
was the last place I wanted to be as the floor was not only wet from 
people walking inside, but it was leaking from the top. These were 30+ 
year old containers that had probably been across the ocean umpteen 
times and were rusting through. Most resales of containers are of this 
age and suffer the same problem. Even the moving companies that buy 
these shipping containers are selling the refurbed kind.

To further back up the claim that it is expensive to get them 
refurbished, here's a anti-homeless initiative where containers were 
turned into shelters.

http://www.trucknews.com/news/vancouver-fleet-converts-shipping-container-to-homeless-shelter/1000357427/

And the quote that I'd like to point out:

>>"This initial (shelter) probably cost in the neighbourhood of
>>$100,000," Reid says. "And our operating costs will probably
>>be around $300 or $400 a day for every day this unit's out
>>there, seven days a week for the winter months."
>>
>>That cost includes a special, winch-equipped truck Reid
>>commissioned to move the shelter.

These are basic run of the mill units that have been converted to 
solely house homeless individuals at night. If he's proposing to do this 
for $1.5 million with 11 units, he's going to blow through that cash 
really quickly if he wants them to be anything more than simple sleeping 
units.

My city has the busiest port on the West Coast and I wouldn't dare use 
a shipping container for more than anything than it is intended for.

- Colin

On 2012-10-03 13:53, Matt Joyce wrote:
> http://www.archdaily.com/27386/platoon-kunsthalle-graft-architects/
>
> I'd like to point out a couple things.
>
> Note the foundation, roof, electrical... etc.
>
> Also note that this was built in Seoul South Korea.
>
> Also note that no cost estimate was included.  My guess is they spent
> more than 1.5 mil USD equivalent even in Seoul.
>
> This might give you an idea of just how much of an operation this 
> was:
>
> concept design: PLATOON cultural development
> architectural consultancy: GRAFT architects + Baik Jiwon
> executive architect: U-il Architects & Engineers
> prefab engineering: Ace special container, Korea
> structural engineering: MIDAS IT, Korea
> interior design: URBANTAINER, Korea
> main contractor: Hyojung construction & development, Korea
> location: 97-22, Nonhyeon-dong, Gangnam-gu,Seoul, Korea
>
> NOTE: Graft assisted Platoon in the architectural development of the
> Kunsthalle, which is based on the signature container modules as
> developed by Platoon for their first container setup in Berlin. The
> optimized arrangement of the containers in Seoul was developed in
> brainstorming sessions between Platoon and Graft and developed and
> illustrated by Graft.
> The interior design finishes and furniture are developed by Platoon
> and Baik Jiwon.
>
> -Matt
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:44 PM, Psy Tek <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> 
> wrote:
>> We have a lot of work to do on this.  Thank you all for the valuable
>> feedback.
>>
>> Here's a similar project that uses 40 shipping containers:
>> http://www.kunsthalle.com/
>>
>> We've created a uservoice page here http://hackert0wn.uservoice.com 
>> to
>> itemize the feedback and keep track of it.
>> Here is an etherpad if you prefer to jot some notes:
>> http://piratepad.net/aZ6OaNoGFx
>>
>> We also have a Google group where you can see more of the history of 
>> the
>> hackert0wn project here:
>>
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/hackert0wn
>>
>> psytek
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 4:42 PM, William Saturno <wsaturno at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sorry, I had a bump in the road and hit send by accident.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I was Hit with a possible idea When arc light was 
>>> describing The
>>> artist loft he had seen. Perhaps a custom built Simple  Metal shed 
>>> and roof
>>> ( shell ) could be built over the Empty lot And then container 
>>> construction
>>> could start inside. It perhaps could be cheaper then retrofitting 
>>> every
>>> container to be all weather resistant.  It may also be easier to 
>>> get permits
>>> for getting started with a standard building shell on site. Just 
>>> and idea
>>> ...
>>>
>>> On Oct 3, 2012 4:32 PM, "William Saturno" <wsaturno at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I completely understand what you're saying about not being able to 
>>>> do
>>>> everything yourself. That will definitely add to the cost
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps to take a Pageight headed it
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 3, 2012 4:01 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd like to point out hackerdojo just completed a 250k fund 
>>>>> raiser
>>>>> just to get two of their buildings rezoned and bring their 
>>>>> current
>>>>> building up to code.
>>>>>
>>>>> That gets them pretty much nothing they didn't already have 
>>>>> except a
>>>>> pass from the local city government to use it for people.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are things hackers cannot do without gobs of money.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Matt
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:54 PM, William Saturno 
>>>>> <wsaturno at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> > One great aspect of this idea is that this plan can become 
>>>>> modular
>>>>> > (pun intended) and be built by breaking it down into build 
>>>>> stages.
>>>>> > Will it be completed for the initial 1.5 investment? Doubtful. 
>>>>> But a
>>>>> > "stage 1" of a plan? Perhaps. Being that this thread is made up 
>>>>> of
>>>>> > mainly members of hackerspaces, you *know* what we can 
>>>>> accomplish on
>>>>> > meager or zero budgets. I also see that first hand at my own 
>>>>> space
>>>>> > what we have accomplished by the passion of membership.  Now, 
>>>>> using
>>>>> > that same hacker resourcefulness and and 'frugal"ness, I think 
>>>>> that if
>>>>> > this idea can reach a critical mass it may have it's own 
>>>>> momentum to
>>>>> > move forward on it's own. I'll be investing what I can on 
>>>>> Indiegogo
>>>>> > towards it. At the very very least, the challenge has been made 
>>>>> to the
>>>>> > status quo.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Bill Saturno
>>>>> > CT Hackerspace
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Ron Bean
>>>>> > <makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com> wrote:
>>>>> >> Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> writes:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>Containers are intended to be used INDOORS.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Wait, what?
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I thought they were intended to he hauled around on trucks, 
>>>>> trains,
>>>>> >> and
>>>>> >> cargo ships.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>>They need to be covered and raised off the
>>>>> >>>ground.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> I'd agree with that part.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> The project page looks like a bunch of different projects that 
>>>>> should
>>>>> >> be
>>>>> >> pursued separately. I don't see the point of making it one 
>>>>> huge
>>>>> >> project.
>>>>> >>
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