[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

[William Saturno]

I know these guys and it is a real (albeit ambitious!) idea.

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Aurélien <aurelien at cwb.io> wrote:

> Steven Sutton <ssutton4455 at gmail.com> writes:
>
> > I don't think it's a scam, just an ambitious portfolio of projects.
> > However, I can see where Matt came go that conclusion because of the
> > lack of Return on Investment data for each of the sub-projects.
> >
> > For example, small-scale testing and yield rates for aquaponics are
> > available from various labs. If crops are grown to be sold, then an
> > optimistic, pessimistic, and most likely revenue estimate can be
> > created for a given square footage and used to project the amount of
> > time that the investment will be paid off. The same for the retail
> > location (where revenue per square foot data for similar retail
> > businesses could be used as a benchmark).
> >
> > You don't have to get super technical, as that will turn some people
> > off, but you have to also instill confidence in the worthiness of the
> > investment and probable success of the project. Unless I see numbers,
> > I have a really hard time imagining the cost justification for using
> > hydrogen fuel cells in the initial build. Or the initial $150+ per
> > square foot cost. Or the lack of maintenance costs and plans.
> >
> > If it were me, I would take a phased approach and demonstrate this on
> > a small scale before going big with it. Looking over the data, I think
> > it's possible to get 80% of the features for 20% of the cost.
> >
> > It's a noble project, but the pitch is difficult to understand from a
> > technical perspective. I think you need a better model of the project
> > in order for it to go viral. It has to seem just within reach to get
> > people excited. That means an achievable initial investment, very
> > little waste (with each sub project justified), a cost-effective
> > architecture, and a 10-20 year Return on Investment including the
> > continuous costs to run the facility over that time period.
> >
> > If the facility were to be paid off by member dues alone, 12 months *
> > 20 years = 240 dues payments, which requires 6000+ members to pay off.
> > Also troubling is the lack of information about continuous labor
> > costs, licensing, inspection, impact fees, and contractor costs.
> >
> > So why is the pitch so vague?
> >
> > Steven
> >
> > On Oct 3, 2012 12:09 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> >
> >     Seems like a total scam.  The cost estimates are nonsensical and
> >     there is practically zero detail on the project beyond those.
> >
> >     Probably had to use indiegogo cause kickstarter would have shot
> >     the idea as proposed down.
> >
> >     -matt
> >
> >     On Oct 3, 2012 8:57 AM, "Psy Tek" <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >         Hello,
> >
> >
> >         I'm writing to let you know about 'hackert0wn', a pioneering
> >         educational center for clean technology and sustainability
> >         featuring the world's first marketplace for hackers.
> >
> >
> >         Take a moment to check it out on Indiegogo and also share it
> >         with your friends.  All the tools are there.  Get perks, make
> >         a contribution, or simply follow updates.  If enough of us get
> >         behind it, we can make 'hackert0wn' happen.
> >
> >
> >         http://www.indiegogo.com/hackert0wn?a=1498290&i=emal
> >
> >
> >
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> Hi hackers,
>
> Wow so they have a t0wn, mugs and much more things but no website?
>
> No webmaster in a hackertown -_-'
>
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