[hackerspaces] Help me make it happen for 'hackert0wn' on Indiegogo

[Aurélien]

Steven Sutton <ssutton4455 at gmail.com> writes:

> I don't think it's a scam, just an ambitious portfolio of projects.
> However, I can see where Matt came go that conclusion because of the
> lack of Return on Investment data for each of the sub-projects.
>
> For example, small-scale testing and yield rates for aquaponics are
> available from various labs. If crops are grown to be sold, then an
> optimistic, pessimistic, and most likely revenue estimate can be
> created for a given square footage and used to project the amount of
> time that the investment will be paid off. The same for the retail
> location (where revenue per square foot data for similar retail
> businesses could be used as a benchmark).
>
> You don't have to get super technical, as that will turn some people
> off, but you have to also instill confidence in the worthiness of the
> investment and probable success of the project. Unless I see numbers,
> I have a really hard time imagining the cost justification for using
> hydrogen fuel cells in the initial build. Or the initial $150+ per
> square foot cost. Or the lack of maintenance costs and plans.
>
> If it were me, I would take a phased approach and demonstrate this on
> a small scale before going big with it. Looking over the data, I think
> it's possible to get 80% of the features for 20% of the cost.
>
> It's a noble project, but the pitch is difficult to understand from a
> technical perspective. I think you need a better model of the project
> in order for it to go viral. It has to seem just within reach to get
> people excited. That means an achievable initial investment, very
> little waste (with each sub project justified), a cost-effective
> architecture, and a 10-20 year Return on Investment including the
> continuous costs to run the facility over that time period.
>
> If the facility were to be paid off by member dues alone, 12 months *
> 20 years = 240 dues payments, which requires 6000+ members to pay off.
> Also troubling is the lack of information about continuous labor
> costs, licensing, inspection, impact fees, and contractor costs.
>
> So why is the pitch so vague?
>
> Steven
>
> On Oct 3, 2012 12:09 PM, "Matt Joyce" <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>
>     Seems like a total scam.  The cost estimates are nonsensical and
>     there is practically zero detail on the project beyond those.
>
>     Probably had to use indiegogo cause kickstarter would have shot
>     the idea as proposed down.
>
>     -matt
>
>     On Oct 3, 2012 8:57 AM, "Psy Tek" <psytek at alphaonelabs.com> wrote:
>     
>     
>         Hello,
>         
>         
>         I'm writing to let you know about 'hackert0wn', a pioneering
>         educational center for clean technology and sustainability
>         featuring the world's first marketplace for hackers.
>         
>         
>         Take a moment to check it out on Indiegogo and also share it
>         with your friends.  All the tools are there.  Get perks, make
>         a contribution, or simply follow updates.  If enough of us get
>         behind it, we can make 'hackert0wn' happen.
>         
>         
>         http://www.indiegogo.com/hackert0wn?a=1498290&i=emal
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>         
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Hi hackers,

Wow so they have a t0wn, mugs and much more things but no website?

No webmaster in a hackertown -_-'

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