[hackerspaces] printablegun.com has it's 3d printer siezed
tim.saylor at gmail.com
Tue Oct 2 21:53:34 CEST 2012
Yves: with cnc lathe/mill equipment it's just about as easy as with a 3d
printer and gives you a better gun. And you can buy guns at
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Yves Quemener <quemener.yves at free.fr>wrote:
> With a lathe, it still requires some skill. With a 3d printer it is as easy
> as a download. Don't you remember the time when playing a video on a
> computer became a mainstream thing as opposed to a geeky thing that
> required so many experimental software to be installed? There is a
> threshold there that makes a technology easy enough to become mainstream.
> It may not be a big deal in USA, where firearms are (almost) sold at
> Walmart but I know that in France it would cause a lot of shock. Someone
> being killed by an automated weapon makes national news here. I can only
> imagine the crackdown the day it is "homicide caused by 3d printed weapon".
> Suddenly all the French fablabs would become potential arms smuggler.
> Please people, don't make the news with printed guns, we all know that it
> is possible. It does not make sense yet as you can not have a higher
> quality that one can be bought off the shelf today.
> On 02/10/12 11:19, Matt Joyce wrote:
> > Honestly, making a fire arm with a lathe is farely easy. It's been
> > done many times before "AKA zip guns".
> > People constructed them. Sold them. Killed with them. No one has
> > ever put limits on a lathe. Or a CNC which are used often in milling
> > gun components.
> > The reality is, the guy most likely to sell a gun illegally or use one
> > illegally doesn't have access to a machine shop. And the off chance
> > some lunatic does, well shit. Sometimes people do bad things. it
> > happens.
> > I don't think this is nearly as big a deal as people make it out to
> > be. It's like "Cyberwar". The only reason people care is that it
> > sounds so magical and futuristic. It's not.
> > -Matt
> > On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Yves Quemener <quemener.yves at free.fr>
> >> It is pretty obvious for anyone who has given 3D printing a bit of
> >> that people would print weapons at one moment. While we knew this was
> >> inevitable, I hoped it to happen as late as possible. We all know what
> >> happen once the first crime will be done with a 3d printed weapon : the
> >> legalosaurus will look out way and will try to shoot random legislation
> >> a field that is, for now, relatively unencumbered.
> >> I am not even sure that I have a moral opinion on the availability of
> >> CAD files, but I have a pragmatic advice : don't do it now, the current
> >> state of the tech makes it useless and it will slow the whole field.
> >> I also have the feeling that the person behind printablegun.com was
> >> about making a working firearm than making buzz around the project. I
> >> suspect that this event is exactly what was supposed to happen.
> >> On 02/10/12 10:50, Bryce Tugwell wrote:
> >>> For better or for worse, Printablegun.com who was/is working on
> creating a
> >>> (hand)gun printable on a 3d printer, has had its printer (which
> >>> was leased(?)) confiscated "before they even got it out of the box" by
> >>> company that made the printer (Stratasys). Evidently printablegun.com
> >>> <http://printablegun.com> did a kickstarter style fundraiser, raised
> >>> $20,000 and "leased" the printer (would love to know if they actually
> >>> leased it, or if this is the action of a company that is moving on a
> >>> user licence agreement...) In any case they showed up at the guys
> house and
> >>> took the printer away before it was ever plugged in. (i won't insert my
> >>> opinion on this right away, I am interested in hearing yours!)
> >>> Discuss?
> >>> I am sure there are some lively opinions on this, and I am all ears, I
> >>> would love to hear thoughs.
> >>> Also, I am about to post a huge load of photos (well over a thousand)
> >>> the Iron pour I attended and participated in this weekend to flickr, I
> >>> send out a link when the upload is complete. I made a nice cast iron
> >>> pan that turned out great! I can't wait to do another casting.
> >>> parties are welcome to join in, but in the future will need to let me
> >>> well enough in advance to go over some fairly important safety
> >>> in advance.
> >>> Also, those interested in making a cast iron piece should let me know
> - I
> >>> can arrange it if far enough in advance.
> >>> FYI bronze and aluminium castings opportunities coming in the future
> as well.
> >>> Bryce
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