Yves: with cnc lathe/mill equipment it's just about as easy as with a 3d printer and gives you a better gun. And you can buy <a href="http://www.walmart.com/search/search-ng.do?cat_id=4125_4155_1088608&_refineresult=true&search_query=guns&ic=16_0&_refineresult=true&search_constraint=4125&&_mm=">guns at walmart</a> in the US.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:34 PM, Yves Quemener <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr" target="_blank">quemener.yves@free.fr</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
With a lathe, it still requires some skill. With a 3d printer it is as easy<br>
as a download. Don't you remember the time when playing a video on a<br>
computer became a mainstream thing as opposed to a geeky thing that<br>
required so many experimental software to be installed? There is a<br>
threshold there that makes a technology easy enough to become mainstream.<br>
<br>
It may not be a big deal in USA, where firearms are (almost) sold at<br>
Walmart but I know that in France it would cause a lot of shock. Someone<br>
being killed by an automated weapon makes national news here. I can only<br>
imagine the crackdown the day it is "homicide caused by 3d printed weapon".<br>
Suddenly all the French fablabs would become potential arms smuggler.<br>
<br>
Please people, don't make the news with printed guns, we all know that it<br>
is possible. It does not make sense yet as you can not have a higher<br>
quality that one can be bought off the shelf today.<br>
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On 02/10/12 11:19, Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
> Honestly, making a fire arm with a lathe is farely easy. It's been<br>
> done many times before "AKA zip guns".<br>
><br>
> People constructed them. Sold them. Killed with them. No one has<br>
> ever put limits on a lathe. Or a CNC which are used often in milling<br>
> gun components.<br>
><br>
> The reality is, the guy most likely to sell a gun illegally or use one<br>
> illegally doesn't have access to a machine shop. And the off chance<br>
> some lunatic does, well shit. Sometimes people do bad things. it<br>
> happens.<br>
><br>
> I don't think this is nearly as big a deal as people make it out to<br>
> be. It's like "Cyberwar". The only reason people care is that it<br>
> sounds so magical and futuristic. It's not.<br>
><br>
> -Matt<br>
><br>
> On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Yves Quemener <<a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr">quemener.yves@free.fr</a>> wrote:<br>
>> It is pretty obvious for anyone who has given 3D printing a bit of thought<br>
>> that people would print weapons at one moment. While we knew this was<br>
>> inevitable, I hoped it to happen as late as possible. We all know what will<br>
>> happen once the first crime will be done with a 3d printed weapon : the<br>
>> legalosaurus will look out way and will try to shoot random legislation at<br>
>> a field that is, for now, relatively unencumbered.<br>
>><br>
>> I am not even sure that I have a moral opinion on the availability of gun<br>
>> CAD files, but I have a pragmatic advice : don't do it now, the current<br>
>> state of the tech makes it useless and it will slow the whole field.<br>
>><br>
>> I also have the feeling that the person behind <a href="http://printablegun.com" target="_blank">printablegun.com</a> was less<br>
>> about making a working firearm than making buzz around the project. I<br>
>> suspect that this event is exactly what was supposed to happen.<br>
>><br>
>> On 02/10/12 10:50, Bryce Tugwell wrote:<br>
>>> For better or for worse, Printablegun.com who was/is working on creating a<br>
>>> (hand)gun printable on a 3d printer, has had its printer (which evidently<br>
>>> was leased(?)) confiscated "before they even got it out of the box" by the<br>
>>> company that made the printer (Stratasys). Evidently <a href="http://printablegun.com" target="_blank">printablegun.com</a><br>
>>> <<a href="http://printablegun.com" target="_blank">http://printablegun.com</a>> did a kickstarter style fundraiser, raised<br>
>>> $20,000 and "leased" the printer (would love to know if they actually<br>
>>> leased it, or if this is the action of a company that is moving on a end<br>
>>> user licence agreement...) In any case they showed up at the guys house and<br>
>>> took the printer away before it was ever plugged in. (i won't insert my<br>
>>> opinion on this right away, I am interested in hearing yours!)<br>
>>><br>
>>> Discuss?<br>
>>><br>
>>> I am sure there are some lively opinions on this, and I am all ears, I<br>
>>> would love to hear thoughs.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Also, I am about to post a huge load of photos (well over a thousand) of<br>
>>> the Iron pour I attended and participated in this weekend to flickr, I will<br>
>>> send out a link when the upload is complete. I made a nice cast iron paella<br>
>>> pan that turned out great! I can't wait to do another casting. Interested<br>
>>> parties are welcome to join in, but in the future will need to let me know<br>
>>> well enough in advance to go over some fairly important safety information<br>
>>> in advance.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Also, those interested in making a cast iron piece should let me know - I<br>
>>> can arrange it if far enough in advance.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> FYI bronze and aluminium castings opportunities coming in the future as well.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Bryce<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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