[hackerspaces] Another registry?

[Will Bradley]

Being very clear with parents is important too. I like to show them the
dangerous stuff and tell them that we don't babysit anyone, minor or
senior; they either need to supervise their kids or judge their maturity
level and instruct them appropriately.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:12 PM, William Macfarlane <wmacfarl at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yeah.  I don't want to start an argument about the realities and
> fantasies of insurance and liability, and certainly YMMV with your
> insurance company, but I think that the perception that liability with
> minors is an impossible nightmare is very prevalent, but I think that
> this perception isn't totally accurate.
>
> But we run what is explicitly a hackerspace for kids.  We don't have
> all of the nasty dangerous tools some hackerspaces have, but mostly
> that's budgetary, not safety considerations.  We've got a band saw, a
> mini-mill, mini-lathe, sometimes we borrow a stick welder -- there are
> dangerous things around.
>
> We get insurance from a provider of summer camp insurance (in part
> because one of our big programs is a summer camp).  It's good enough
> insurance that we can rent space and get the child care provider
> licensing (which we need because we run afterschool programs and a
> summer camp -- we wouldn't need nearly so much licensing if we didn't
> run these formal programs).
>
> We haven't had any catastrophic injuries, so we haven't really tested
> whether the insurance holds up in practice, but we are, in theory,
> covered for injury, liability, etc.
>
> Hacking with kids is great.  Providing a space where they can hack on
> their own is maybe even better.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Will Bradley <bradley.will at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Our insurance hasn't mentioned anything regarding minors, and we just
> went
> > thru an audit... our liability waiver is even pretty liberal when it
> comes
> > to minors.
> >
> > I mean, high school wood shop and summer camp still (mostly) exist; I
> think
> > we're in that category.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:59 PM, Willow Brugh <willow.bl00 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> If the main issue with bringing in minors is that of insurance, what
> would
> >> go into making our own insurance co-op? Because being an insurance
> agent is
> >> what I always wanted to be when I grew up...
> >>
> >> Willow Brugh // willowbl00
> >> Schedule a meeting with me
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 18:02, Ron Bean <
> makerspace at rbean.users.panix.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >It's always freaking the hell out of me to see how crazy the US is
> >>> about
> >>> >these things.
> >>>
> >>> We're not thrilled about it either-- most of us would have benefitted
> >>> from access to a hackerspace at that age. But we have to live with it.
> >>>
> >>> >And I consider teaching to be one of the, if
> >>> >not the most important goals of "hacking".
> >>>
> >>> I consider "learning by doing" to be different from "teaching". We're
> >>> constantly teaching each other how to use the tools, and we give demos
> >>> of various things, but we don't have any formal curriculum, which we'd
> >>> need to have in order to be considered an educational group. In many
> >>> cases we don't know what we're going to learn until after we've learned
> >>> it.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't want to spend so much time on formal teaching that we don't
> >>> have any time left for hacking.
> >>>
> >>>
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> -Will
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