[hackerspaces] Hackerspace as a co-op?

[Matthew McCabe]

Thank you for all of the feedback!  I was curious if any US hackerspaces
have looked at the legal co-op model vs. non-profit or for-profit.

To be clear, we are looking at possibly creating a legal co-op in Texas.
 It has been difficult to find much info about how this works in our state
and the pros/cons of this legal entity.  It is definitely an option,
though, because there are other community co-ops in town that are
successful (for example, Black Star - http://www.blackstar.coop/ - which is
a pub and brewery co-op).

We are also talking to the folks at Space Federation and considering
partnering with them.

Thanks,
Matt

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Far McKon <farmckon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Right,
> There is a big difference between something that is functionally owned
> by it's members (aka, coop by action) and a legal cooperative.
>
> cooperative by action:
> Many hackerspaces act as a cooperative, such that all members are
> owners of the organization, and have voting rights. (As opposed to a
> few board members run the nonprofit, and members have little or no
> say).
>
> One of the downfalls of cooperative style management is having people
> take ownership.  Some hackerspaces have members that would rather do
> the 'buy a gym membership' model than 'we are a cooperative
> mini-democracy' model.   For the people that fall into the first case,
> trying to run things in the second case can burn them our, or
> frustrate them. And vice-versa.
>
> cooperative by law:
> It gets to be a state by state thing at some point. Some states have
> easier reporting for taxes for cooperatives, others for state
> nonprofits, others for the new 'For Benefit' types of entities. Your
> Mileage May Vary, I Am Not A Lawyer. If you are a cooperative, check
> how the state taxes 'profits' from the entity. Cooperatives,
> for-benifits, or technically for-profit (but just to be filed) may
> cause a tax burden on members since end of year cash on hand can be
> counted as 'income' in some states.
>
> Most spaces I don't see a need to be a federal 501(c)3. very few
> spaces get donations where tax deductions play into it.
>
> Yoy may want to check out Space Federation if you just want to start
> hacking on things. They are a national org for hacker/maker/art spaces
> that can/will act as a 501(c)3 sponsor. e, they accept donations,
> verify you are using them in a way that matches nonprofit standards,
> etc.
>
> In short:
>  I think cooperative in action can make a great hackerspace, or can
> burn people out. Cooperative by law is a state by state situation.
>
> Just another 0$.02, Hack on,
> - Far McKon
>
> http://www.FarMcKon.net "Creatively Maladjusted"
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Will Bradley <will at heatsynclabs.org>
> wrote:
> > I understand what a co-op hackerspace might look like, but I don't think
> > it's a contentious question... for example HeatSync isn't a "co-op" per
> se
> > but it is a 501c3 nonprofit whose members get to vote in the board of
> > directors and also participate in self-governance via proposals and
> votes at
> > regular meetings. But there is still a board, an organizational bank
> > account, we're a registered nonprofit corporation with the state.
> >
> > I suppose a co-op would include more strict language in its bylaws
> > indicating that paying members are all given an equal vote and are the
> > highest authority in the organization (as opposed to a board-based org.)
> >
> > But colloquially, I'm pretty sure that some form of member self
> governance
> > is a very common feature of hackerspaces.
> >
> > On Nov 22, 2011 5:34 PM, "Rubin Abdi" <rubin at starset.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> Rhys Rhaven wrote, On 2011-11-22 15:11:
> >> > What do you mean by co-op?
> >>
> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-op
> >>
> >> --
> >> Rubin
> >> rubin at starset.net
> >>
> >>
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