Thank you for all of the feedback! I was curious if any US hackerspaces have looked at the legal co-op model vs. non-profit or for-profit.<div><br></div><div>To be clear, we are looking at possibly creating a legal co-op in Texas. It has been difficult to find much info about how this works in our state and the pros/cons of this legal entity. It is definitely an option, though, because there are other community co-ops in town that are successful (for example, Black Star - <a href="http://www.blackstar.coop/">http://www.blackstar.coop/</a> - which is a pub and brewery co-op).</div>
<div><br></div><div>We are also talking to the folks at Space Federation and considering partnering with them.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Matt</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 10:20 PM, Far McKon <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:farmckon@gmail.com">farmckon@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Right,<br>
There is a big difference between something that is functionally owned<br>
by it's members (aka, coop by action) and a legal cooperative.<br>
<br>
cooperative by action:<br>
Many hackerspaces act as a cooperative, such that all members are<br>
owners of the organization, and have voting rights. (As opposed to a<br>
few board members run the nonprofit, and members have little or no<br>
say).<br>
<br>
One of the downfalls of cooperative style management is having people<br>
take ownership. Some hackerspaces have members that would rather do<br>
the 'buy a gym membership' model than 'we are a cooperative<br>
mini-democracy' model. For the people that fall into the first case,<br>
trying to run things in the second case can burn them our, or<br>
frustrate them. And vice-versa.<br>
<br>
cooperative by law:<br>
It gets to be a state by state thing at some point. Some states have<br>
easier reporting for taxes for cooperatives, others for state<br>
nonprofits, others for the new 'For Benefit' types of entities. Your<br>
Mileage May Vary, I Am Not A Lawyer. If you are a cooperative, check<br>
how the state taxes 'profits' from the entity. Cooperatives,<br>
for-benifits, or technically for-profit (but just to be filed) may<br>
cause a tax burden on members since end of year cash on hand can be<br>
counted as 'income' in some states.<br>
<br>
Most spaces I don't see a need to be a federal 501(c)3. very few<br>
spaces get donations where tax deductions play into it.<br>
<br>
Yoy may want to check out Space Federation if you just want to start<br>
hacking on things. They are a national org for hacker/maker/art spaces<br>
that can/will act as a 501(c)3 sponsor. e, they accept donations,<br>
verify you are using them in a way that matches nonprofit standards,<br>
etc.<br>
<br>
In short:<br>
I think cooperative in action can make a great hackerspace, or can<br>
burn people out. Cooperative by law is a state by state situation.<br>
<br>
Just another 0$.02, Hack on,<br>
- Far McKon<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.FarMcKon.net" target="_blank">http://www.FarMcKon.net</a> "Creatively Maladjusted"<br>
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On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 8:27 PM, Will Bradley <<a href="mailto:will@heatsynclabs.org">will@heatsynclabs.org</a>> wrote:<br>
> I understand what a co-op hackerspace might look like, but I don't think<br>
> it's a contentious question... for example HeatSync isn't a "co-op" per se<br>
> but it is a 501c3 nonprofit whose members get to vote in the board of<br>
> directors and also participate in self-governance via proposals and votes at<br>
> regular meetings. But there is still a board, an organizational bank<br>
> account, we're a registered nonprofit corporation with the state.<br>
><br>
> I suppose a co-op would include more strict language in its bylaws<br>
> indicating that paying members are all given an equal vote and are the<br>
> highest authority in the organization (as opposed to a board-based org.)<br>
><br>
> But colloquially, I'm pretty sure that some form of member self governance<br>
> is a very common feature of hackerspaces.<br>
><br>
> On Nov 22, 2011 5:34 PM, "Rubin Abdi" <<a href="mailto:rubin@starset.net">rubin@starset.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Rhys Rhaven wrote, On 2011-11-22 15:11:<br>
>> > What do you mean by co-op?<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-op" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Co-op</a><br>
>><br>
>> --<br>
>> Rubin<br>
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