[hackerspaces] revspace and randomdata in the news re wikileaks ddos story

[Matt Joyce]

touche sir!  touche!

On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com> wrote:

>
> http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/LitNote/Thoreau-Emerson-and-Transcendentalism.id-134.html
>
> On Saturday, December 11, 2010, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
> >
> http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-shudders-at-large-block-of-uninterrupted-te,16932/
> >
> > /troll
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Matthew McCabe <matt at mrmccabe.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil1.html
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com>
> wrote:
> >> Law is societal ethics.
> >>
> >> If you breach law, you breach ethics as defined not by you, but the
> society
> >> you are a part of.
> >>
> >> Breaking the law is unethical.
> >>
> >> QED
> >>
> >> /troll
> >>
> >> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Yves Quemener <quemener.yves at free.fr>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Why do you equal disobedience with violence and revolt ?
> >>>
> >>> > Until you have rendered the application of law a functional
> >>> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a
> >>> > criminal.
> >>>
> >>> That I can agree on, but in democracies, retorting to violence and
> >>> secession is not the only mean to achieve that. Retorting to numbers is
> >>> the
> >>> other way. If millions refuse to respect a law, it is likely to change.
> If
> >>> millions support one person that broke a law, it is likely to change.
> >>>
> >>> If we say "keeping websites like wikileaks online is worth breaking
> some
> >>> bad laws" it is a political message that will have a strong impact on
> >>> policies if millions support it.
> >>>
> >>> But you are right on something : I am personally too coward to go break
> >>> laws and risk jail time. I prefer to pursue the slower but safer legal
> way
> >>> of developing software that can help. However, I see no contradiction
> in
> >>> supporting publicly the persons that have the guts to stand up.
> >>>
> >>> When a journalist or a human rights activist is arrested in an
> >>> authoritarian country, we have no problem supporting this person even
> when
> >>> it means supporting a "criminal" by local standards. Why can't we
> accept
> >>> that there might be similarly bad laws progressively coming in our
> >>> democracies and that peoplke breaking them might be ethical ?
> >>>
> >>> On 12/11/2010 01:13 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:
> >>> > To the "revolutionaries" and "activists" of the world.   If you are
> >>> > going
> >>> > to revolt... bloody revolt already.  Stop threatening to do it and
> just
> >>> > get
> >>> > it over with already.
> >>> >
> >>> > Standing around with a sign, and ddosing mastercard is not a revolt.
>  A
> >>> > revolt is a group of guys with assault weapons siezing territory and
> >>> > shooting otherwise would be authority figures.  Unless you are
> willing
> >>> > to
> >>> > go kill people, and probably yourself in the process.... by all means
> >>> > stop
> >>> > pretending anything done is somehow analogous to revolt.
> >>> >
> >>> > It's not.  Until you have rendered the application of law a
> functional
> >>> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a
> >>> > criminal.  That's reality.  Cold and hard.
> >>> >
> >>> > Sorry if you delusional belief in your revolutionary hat is
> challenged
> >>> > by that.
> >>> >
> >>> > /troll
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