touche sir! touche!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:35 AM, Matthew McCabe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@mrmccabe.com">matt@mrmccabe.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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On Saturday, December 11, 2010, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> <a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-shudders-at-large-block-of-uninterrupted-te,16932/" target="_blank">http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-shudders-at-large-block-of-uninterrupted-te,16932/</a><br>
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> /troll<br>
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> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Matthew McCabe <<a href="mailto:matt@mrmccabe.com">matt@mrmccabe.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> <a href="http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil1.html" target="_blank">http://thoreau.eserver.org/civil1.html</a><br>
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> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Matt Joyce <<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com">matt@nycresistor.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Law is societal ethics.<br>
>><br>
>> If you breach law, you breach ethics as defined not by you, but the society<br>
>> you are a part of.<br>
>><br>
>> Breaking the law is unethical.<br>
>><br>
>> QED<br>
>><br>
>> /troll<br>
>><br>
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Yves Quemener <<a href="mailto:quemener.yves@free.fr">quemener.yves@free.fr</a>><br>
>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Why do you equal disobedience with violence and revolt ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> > Until you have rendered the application of law a functional<br>
>>> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a<br>
>>> > criminal.<br>
>>><br>
>>> That I can agree on, but in democracies, retorting to violence and<br>
>>> secession is not the only mean to achieve that. Retorting to numbers is<br>
>>> the<br>
>>> other way. If millions refuse to respect a law, it is likely to change. If<br>
>>> millions support one person that broke a law, it is likely to change.<br>
>>><br>
>>> If we say "keeping websites like wikileaks online is worth breaking some<br>
>>> bad laws" it is a political message that will have a strong impact on<br>
>>> policies if millions support it.<br>
>>><br>
>>> But you are right on something : I am personally too coward to go break<br>
>>> laws and risk jail time. I prefer to pursue the slower but safer legal way<br>
>>> of developing software that can help. However, I see no contradiction in<br>
>>> supporting publicly the persons that have the guts to stand up.<br>
>>><br>
>>> When a journalist or a human rights activist is arrested in an<br>
>>> authoritarian country, we have no problem supporting this person even when<br>
>>> it means supporting a "criminal" by local standards. Why can't we accept<br>
>>> that there might be similarly bad laws progressively coming in our<br>
>>> democracies and that peoplke breaking them might be ethical ?<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 12/11/2010 01:13 AM, Matt Joyce wrote:<br>
>>> > To the "revolutionaries" and "activists" of the world. If you are<br>
>>> > going<br>
>>> > to revolt... bloody revolt already. Stop threatening to do it and just<br>
>>> > get<br>
>>> > it over with already.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Standing around with a sign, and ddosing mastercard is not a revolt. A<br>
>>> > revolt is a group of guys with assault weapons siezing territory and<br>
>>> > shooting otherwise would be authority figures. Unless you are willing<br>
>>> > to<br>
>>> > go kill people, and probably yourself in the process.... by all means<br>
>>> > stop<br>
>>> > pretending anything done is somehow analogous to revolt.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > It's not. Until you have rendered the application of law a functional<br>
>>> > impossibility, all that you are is either a worthless protestor or a<br>
>>> > criminal. That's reality. Cold and hard.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > Sorry if you delusional belief in your revolutionary hat is challenged<br>
>>> > by that.<br>
>>> ><br>
>>> > /troll<br>
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