[hackerspaces] Working on setting up my space
Seth Hardy
shardy at aculei.net
Thu Oct 22 18:58:50 CEST 2009
it makes me very uncomfortable whenever one person defines what a
hackerspace is or isn't. a similar conversation of this sort a few
months ago is what made a few involved people stop participating in this
community.
just sayin'.
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:43:59AM -0500, Eric Michaud wrote:
>
> I didn't say he wouldn't be one of them because of those, but it's
> hard to show the shades of we're doing this because of X. There are
> many flavors, but the main thing is what are you focusing on. Are you
> aiming to be a Tech Shop? or something else? What also becomes
> difficult is if we want to share assets with another group. It's not
> as trivial to do so. As PSOne is filing ours shortly we found out a
> lot of other groups not including grant writers don't want to donate
> equipment or services to other groups because they either A don't know
> how to handle it, or B the appearance to others as to who they donated
> for is not a straight up traditional thought of Not-For-Profit 501c3.
> Also Adam please don't paraphrase what I said. That is incorrect.
> I stated.
> " If that is not the case your not really being a hackerspace since
> the main focus is on educating the many and sharing tools."
> Three things
> Tom may have a very excellent reason for what he's doing. Tom hasn't
> stated what he's doing yet. So please no snap judgements.
> The next thing is I said what I said because there are a lot of place
> calling themselves hackerspaces when they are clearly not. I wanted
> to make sure he knows that he will have problems getting certain types
> of funding if his focus is on education. Regardless of what form his
> group takes.
> The third point is being a hackerspace is about sharing
> knowledge(education) and resources(tools or otherwise) with the
> community on a very basic level. Do you not agree with this that if
> people are respectful of each other and improve the community around
> them through collaboration of these things that they are a hackerspace
> or not?
> Adam I agree with you that you don't have to be a 501c3 to be a
> hackerspace, I don't know where your getting that idea from. Please
> don't misinterpret what I'm stating is all.
> I wanted to get it out that I'm not telling everyone what one is or
> isn't but that Tom might have problems arising later in collaborating
> with certain groups. It's like the GPLv2 and GPLv3. How many issues
> came up with licensing alone when GPLv3 came online as a tool for
> software licensing.
> Cheers,
> -Eric.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Adam D Bachman
> <[1]adam.bachman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > If that is not the case your not really being a hackerspace since
> the main focus is on educating the many and sharing tools.
>
> That sounds like a false dichotomy. "Be a 501c3 and pursue MacArthur
> grants" (be one of us?) or "you're not a hackerspace".
>
> While I agree that going down another of the 501 roads might be a
> waste of time, I wouldn't suggest they're traitors to the cause.
>
> We at Baltimore Node haven't pursued 501c3 status because of the
> expense and because there's no immediate need for the status*. We're
> definitely still a hackerspace, though.
>
> - Adam Bachman
>
> [2]http://baltimorenode.org
>
> * - I should note that I'm indifferent to our tax exempt status since
> my contributions aren't enough to justify itemizing on my tax returns,
> so I'm not going to pursue it. When someone sees the need clearly and
> is willing to act on it, though, it will get done.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Eric Michaud
> <[3]michaud.eric.c at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Sorry, I meant to state before I accidentally clicked send. Why
> are you not doing 501c3? Since c6 is for Recreational groups., and
> c7 is focused on groups for lobbying.
> You wouldn't be able to get grants as easily at all. if your
> looking for stuff from MacArthur, NSF, or a number of other
> educational groups. If that is not the case your not really being a
> hackerspace since the main focus is on educating the many and
> sharing tools.
> Also which state are you in?
> I'd also love to talk shop with you about this if you'd like.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Eric Michaud
> <[4]michaud.eric.c at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hey Tim, why are your leanings to the other groups instead of just
> 501c3? or c7? Are you planning to not be community oriented or
> lobby congress?
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Tim Krabec <[5]tkrabec at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Id like to get a copy of some one's IRS Form1023, my accountant is
> leaning towards a 501c6 or c7 vs the c3. I'd like to get more info
> to her.
> Tim
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> 1. mailto:adam.bachman at gmail.com
> 2. http://baltimorenode.org/
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