[hackerspaces] Working on setting up my space

[Eric Michaud]

This also only applies to US tax law, I can't comment on other countries.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:43 AM, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>wrote:

> I didn't say he wouldn't be one of them because of those, but it's hard to
> show the shades of we're doing this because of X. There are many flavors,
> but the main thing is what are you focusing on. Are you aiming to be a Tech
> Shop? or something else? What also becomes difficult is if we want to share
> assets with another group. It's not as trivial to do so. As PSOne is filing
> ours shortly we found out a lot of other groups not including grant writers
> don't want to donate equipment or services to other groups because they
> either A don't know how to handle it, or B the appearance to others as to
> who they donated for is not a straight up traditional thought of
> Not-For-Profit 501c3.
>
> Also Adam please don't paraphrase what I said. That is incorrect.
>
> I stated.
>
> " If that is not the case your not really being a hackerspace since the
> main focus is on educating the many and sharing tools."
>
> Three things
>
> Tom may have a very excellent reason for what he's doing.  Tom hasn't
> stated what he's doing yet. So please no snap judgements.
>
> The next thing is I said what I said because there are a lot of place
> calling themselves hackerspaces when they are clearly not.  I wanted to make
> sure he knows that he will have problems getting certain types of funding if
> his focus is on education. Regardless of what form his group takes.
>
> The third point is being a hackerspace is about sharing
> knowledge(education) and resources(tools or otherwise) with the community on
> a very basic level. Do you not agree with this that if people are respectful
> of each other and improve the community around them through collaboration of
> these things that they are a hackerspace or not?
>
> Adam I agree with you that you don't have to be a 501c3 to be a
> hackerspace, I don't know where your getting that idea from. Please don't
> misinterpret what I'm stating is all.
>
> I wanted to get it out that I'm not telling everyone what one is or isn't
> but that Tom might have problems arising later in collaborating with certain
> groups. It's like the GPLv2 and GPLv3. How many issues came up with
> licensing alone when GPLv3 came online as a tool for software licensing.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Eric.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Adam D Bachman <adam.bachman at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> >  If that is not the case your not really being a hackerspace since the
>> main focus is on educating the many and sharing tools.
>>
>> That sounds like a false dichotomy. "Be a 501c3 and pursue MacArthur
>> grants" (be one of us?) or "you're not a hackerspace".
>>
>> While I agree that going down another of the 501 roads might be a waste of
>> time, I wouldn't suggest they're traitors to the cause.
>>
>> We at Baltimore Node haven't pursued 501c3 status because of the expense
>> and because there's no immediate need for the status*. We're definitely
>> still a hackerspace, though.
>>
>>
>> - Adam Bachman
>> http://baltimorenode.org
>>
>> * - I should note that I'm indifferent to our tax exempt status since my
>> contributions aren't enough to justify itemizing on my tax returns, so I'm
>> not going to pursue it. When someone sees the need clearly and is willing to
>> act on it, though, it will get done.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I meant to state  before I accidentally clicked send. Why are you
>>> not doing 501c3? Since c6 is for Recreational groups., and c7 is focused on
>>> groups for lobbying.
>>>
>>> You wouldn't be able to get grants as easily at all. if your looking for
>>> stuff from MacArthur, NSF, or a number of other educational groups. If that
>>> is not the case your not really being a hackerspace since the main focus is
>>> on educating the many and sharing tools.
>>>
>>> Also which state are you in?
>>>
>>> I'd also love to talk shop with you about this if you'd like.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Eric Michaud <michaud.eric.c at gmail.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Tim, why are your leanings to the other groups instead of just
>>>> 501c3? or c7? Are you planning to not be community oriented or lobby
>>>> congress?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Tim Krabec <tkrabec at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Id like to get a copy of some one's IRS Form1023, my accountant is
>>>>> leaning towards a 501c6 or c7 vs the c3.  I'd like to get more info to her.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tim
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