[hackerspaces] Size question
Jarkko Moilanen
Jarkko.Moilanen at uta.fi
Wed Nov 18 00:52:27 CET 2009
Quoting tetsu yatsu <tetsuharu at gmail.com>:
> it's a really political question, and hackers hate being political, i think.
>
Well I hate political questions but sometimes they need to be
addressed and dealt with. Even hackers need to do it :)
>
> when I talk to my for-profit friends, they have stupid ideas - like buy a
> hotel or apartment complex for the hackerspace, have the big main room the
> lab, and have people rent the other rooms. i love this idea if it ends
> there, but it always go to 'and we could use that rent money to buy
> equipment, and buy food, and pay salaries, oh and i could use a new car, hey
> maybe i could milk these stupid hacker bitches for a new house! Hahahaha!
>
I'm not surprised.
> honest to god, that's what they say. i believe we would rather see fair,
> directly proportional, efficient pricing, and direct requests for new
> funding.
>
I wouldn't mind if our hackerspace would support itself at least
partly to lower costs to be paid out of our pocket. I'm a poor student
:)
> we're making a huge concession trusting a juristic person with our assets
> and our culture, as they have traditionally abused, raped, pulverized, and
> juiced every drip out of human cultures until we have to start over from
> scratch and suffer a 'depression'.
>
> i dont know how to regularly classify that behavior in the measurable
> attributes of hackerspaces, but that's what i don't want to see happen. i
> don't see for-profit being a good business model for the hackerspace. how
> much money are hackers really willing to give, lol? it's better to get
> registered to receive donations!
So the question is evidently about politics, whether we like it or
not. Is business model acceptable or not...
/jarkko
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 6:26 PM, Jarkko Moilanen
> <Jarkko.Moilanen at uta.fi>wrote:
>
>> Quoting tetsu yatsu <tetsuharu at gmail.com>:
>>
>> I didn't want to say it without researching it at home, but yeah, I
>>> noticed
>>> a few a while ago that were purely for-profit machine shops. In Orlando
>>> there's a company called Co-Lab that everyone thinks of before us. They
>>> offer a cubicle, a wall outlet, and a wifi connection for like $15/day or
>>> $150/mo. They haven't listed themselves, but god help me i will delist
>>> them
>>> the day they try.
>>>
>>
>> So purely for-profit shops are not hackerspaces (that can be listed in
>> hackerspaces.org), right? What about half-for-profit, those shops who
>> offer something to someone for money or other compensation? At least some of
>> the hackerspaces need to 'sell' services or something else to keep office
>> running. Who's going to draw the line? Don't get me wrong, these questions
>> just keep on popping to my head. Or perhaps I have missed some documentation
>> somewhere.
>>
>> /Jarkko
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 5:05 PM, Far McKon <farmckon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yo seriously?
>>>> That is just nuts. Frankly, that's just a commercial company bending
>>>> the meaning of 'hackerspace' to get itself listed and get some free
>>>> advert. I think that's bordering on slimey.
>>>>
>>>> I second the call for some editing, and maybe a nice email to the
>>>> person that added those, with a "hey, that was not cool, our group
>>>> doesn't exist so you can bend the rules to show off and try to
>>>> advertise" note. I'm sure their goal isn't to abuse the trust, but
>>>> that is what they've done IMHO.
>>>>
>>>> opinionated in Philly
>>>> - Far McKon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Tilman Frosch <til at das-labor.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > Am Dienstag, den 17.11.2009, 20:46 +0100 schrieb Bartosz Kostrzewa:
>>>> >
>>>> >> hmm... dunno where those spaces came from!
>>>> >
>>>> > As long as hackerspaces.org does not sell advertising space, those
>>>> > Ponoko 'spaces' are due for some good German-style wiki page
>>>> > deletion ...
>>>> >
>>>> > my 0.02?
>>>> >
>>>> > BTW: Das Labor had ~65 members in april. I don't know about any more
>>>> > recent figures.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Til
>>>> >
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>>>>
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