[hackerspaces] Thread which I nominate for death: "Hackingthe Spaces: A critical acclaim of what was, is and could be a hackerspace "

druid at stonedcoder.org druid at stonedcoder.org
Mon May 11 21:26:34 CEST 2009

Agree, common netiquette defines that on un-moderated lists, a call to 
move a thread to another forum be respected, or at least not ridiculed.

Bottom line, sometimes there are threads that serve no good purpose. The 
mentioned thread primarily served to provide a soap box for some, and a 
place to unintentionally (I hope) ridicule someone repeatedly for what 
they saw as simply writing an essay and asking for comments.

Organizations need a way to filter derisive threads from damaging the 
community. For NYCR for instance Matt does that for the public list. If no 
one wants to filter this list, that's fine, but the group does need the 
ability to voice displeasure with a thread without fearing the vitriol 
that Hellekin poured forth.

3ric did not censor anyone, he voiced his displeasure with the thread, and 
essentially asked for those participating to take the conversation 
elsewhere. I think it was wrong for him to threaten to unsub, but that 
should have been interpreted as an indication of his passion on this 
topic, and should have been respectfully adressed, not belittled.

This kind of topic is one of the things I consider most important for any 
organization, self correction of out of control threads of conversation 
that are doing more harm than good. I'm interested in seeing conversation 
on this new topic, or to be flamed for continuing this meta thread, either 
way it will be interesting and relevant to the organizational theory topic 
in a way the thread that spawned this one was not ;)


On Mon, 11 May 2009, Matt Joyce wrote:

> I am going to be blunt.
> When I woke up this morning I was expecting to see a continued debate
> regarding the role of hackerspaces.org and the ways in which spaces can
> function together so as to avoid publicity debacles ( which I think the
> comments on this list define it as ) like the one that happened on
> boingboing yesterday.  Maybe even some discussion of how we as diverse
> entities could breach our own uncommon differences and work together on the
> global stage when necessary.  Instead I found my inbox stuffed with a load
> of nonsense and a number of poorly written and closed minded emails
> concerning personal politics.   The simple fact is everyone on this list is
> very obviously not capable of treating each other with an equal measure of
> respect.
> That being said, I'd suggest we go one step beyond 3ric's suggestion and
> moderate the list for content.  I think everyone should have an opinion and
> be allowed to voice it.  But no one should be given a platform to belittle
> anyone else or their opinions.  We are not all the same and that's too great
> a thing to lose.
> Regards,
>   Matt Joyce
> On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 2:28 PM, Hellekin O. Wolf (/tmp/lab) <
> hellekin at hackerspaces.org> wrote:
>> On Mon 2009-05-11 at 18:18:25 +0000, Eric Michaud wrote:
>>> Hellekin please tone down the language. Also 3ric is a huge benefit to
>> the community don't allienate him.
>> *** Yeah, you're right. I'm just ashamed that such emails come in. Filter
>> out, done. Nobody's hurt. I'll just keep from feeding this up from now on,
>> as I have better things to do. Sorry if I shocked someone.
>> Signing off
>> ==
>> hk
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