[hackerspaces] [hackerspaces-announce] BruCon in Brussels, Sept. 09
jaromil at dyne.org
Thu Jul 2 19:26:57 CEST 2009
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we missed to have this discussion IRL, so here a few adjunctions
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 03:02:58PM +0200, Benny Ketelslegers wrote:
> > and there is even people complaining that HAR or CCC is too
> > expensive, with a 150 - 185 EUR entrance fee for a fully equipped
> > week of camping
> I know and I don't understand that. Have a look at a commercial
> event like Blackhat and look at their income prices. If we don't
> support the ones you mentioned, all we will have left is Blackhat,
> RSA, and others. If people find HAR too expensive, they should find
> a weekend job like I did for 4 years when I was a
> student. Complaining is easy, doing something about it is another.
personally i don't "find HAR too expensive" because i know perfectly
that what the guys are organising is something that COSTS a lot in NL:
a full blown camp site with all the blinky stuff that we all like. if
you really like something like that you know the price is worth,
people pay for a full week of vacation much more and have much
crappier time anyway :)
but then you ain't got the point of my previous mail:
on one side we have people complaining already for CCC or HAR prices,
which IMO are rationally justifiable for what they provide
(considering catering prices of northern EU): these complaints mean
that there is people that would really enjoy these events and add to
them, but they are excluded because they don't even have that money.
OTOH there is a significant gap in even higher prices for BruCon,
lasting 2 days only with a 300 EUR slam at door.
so my curiosity sounds kindof "what the hell are you preparing for
that to cost so much?" - because if it is something really THAT
special i wanna come too :) but unfortunately that wasn't obvious from
> We started Brucon as a non profit organisation. Under Belgian law,
> it's called a vzw, vereniging zonder winst. Most of the money goes
> to paying a decent venue. We are all volunteers of which some spend
> 10 hours a week setting this up, non-paid.
allright, what exactly motivates people to do this on the long term?
i mean if there will be a large amount of money gathered, how are
general intentions for investment?
something like BRUxelles CONference doesn't really gives a hint.
i'm also on the board of a dutch stichting BTW, which can be
translated to english as non-profit foundation indeed. so i guess you
also have a statute? just to save you some time...
> > 2- what do i get from it? is participation to such a conference
> > going to provide you with certificates, titles, paper you can
> > use to get a job (or stuff like that, if you know what i mean)?
> > and even then, is there someone taking really seriously a
> > "brucon" attendance certificate? how is all this spendable?
> You can put it in your CV and show people that you actively try to
> stay up to date on different topics. I'm happy to make you a
> certificate. ;-)
sorry to be so direct, but i doubt it would actually add much weight
to a CV.
> I go to these events, to meet other people, have fun, and learn
> other point of views on life. For me, it's like going on a holiday.
well for me too, but then i want to make sure i'm going to have good
> > 3- what is the "quality check" on such initiatives (if not a
> > critical thread on a mailinglist, and a web of people known
> > to be professional, at least)? is there a scientific
> > committee?
> Look at the contents and decide what you can get out of it and what
> interests you. Please don't follow what other say or 'some' kind of
i'm probably not so up-to-date with names on the security scene, so i
lack orientation among the intervenes. however i was asking about the
*process* of selecting those who intervene, being such a paid event a
sort of investment made by all those who pay entrance.
> > 4- what about starting to push forward the idea of discounts for
> > "hackerspace members", rather than "students"?
> I posted a hackerspace discount code a few days ago. Use HACKERSPACESORG07
> to get a discount.
and how much discount that gives?
> Yes, I'm on the Brucon crew. Not feeling targeted, just giving my
sincere thanks :)
> We are looking for a cheaper venue in Brussels and are just trying
> to survive our first edition. If enough people come, we can lower
> our prices next year. If you have connections in Brussels, let us
> know. We welcome all help and feedback!!!
the venue is the problem?
it is not the first time i hear that. but then why don't you detail
that publicly? that's what Geert Lovink did at the opening speech of
the WinterCamp this year (Institute of Network Cultures), lamenting
that a venue in Amsterdam is so extremely expensive that we will end
up doing our things somewhere else.
i think you are entitled to publish the costs and to highlight these
problems, then more people will acknowledge and it will hopefully be a
step to make things better and more reasonable for everyone.
> PS, if you are at HSF2009, get a brucon flyer at the income to get a
> beer voucher for Brucon ;-)
i got a sip from Astera and Philippe. cheers :) i like Duvel, still my
favourite export is Chimay ;)
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