[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

[Anthony Di Franco]

I'm in transit from San Diego during the meeting, so I nominate the other
Anthony at the psychic place as my proxy.
On Jul 16, 2012 2:39 PM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:

> Once I figure out the amount per person based on $[rent]/n, I'll let
> everyone. It is currently $28.75. I will gladly accept cash, personal
> check, online/mobile - but don't want to be in the position of valuating
> rocks, leaves, singing telegram, virtual world currency or any some such
> thing. For those voluntary contributors not at tonight's meeting, I'll send
> a Paypal request to your email or phone number. I'd rather send a WePay
> request, if you have an account there. Other payment platforms will have to
> be evaluated before being accepted. My account's email is
> eddank at aya.yale.edu if you just feel like sending me money, which is of
> course fine.
>
> Also, if you aren't at tonight's meeting, please let me know if you have a
> preference of a proxy at the how-many-hackers-can-you-fit-in-a-Sudo-Room
> exercises.
>
>
> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>
> On Jul 16, 2012, at 2:19 PM, Garrett Robinson <
> garrett.f.robinson at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I would like to contribute to July's rent for the space. How can I do so?
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>wrote:
>
>>  Hi Sudo folk.
>>
>> Due to overwhelming demand (i.e., a couple people asked me about it), I
>> am extending the opportunity to participate in the paying of July rent to
>> whomever else is interested, until the start of our meeting tonight at 2135
>> Broadway at 7pm. We are currently at 18 voluntary contributors (including
>> myself), which makes it just below $32 per person. It would be great if
>> others were also willing to chip so that we can make the Sudo-minyan of 23,
>> as determined at last week's meeting. This would make it $25 per voluntary
>> contributor to pay for July rent of our provisional current interim space.
>>
>> Since, according to the outlined schedule from the minutes - we will have
>> made a compact for the Articles of Association just at the end of the
>> month, I wanted to propose another experiment to try and pay for August
>> rent. The amount will most likely be $875 by then (once accessibility to
>> the second floor will most likely be resolved). I wanted to propose that we
>> try the same $[rent]/n formula, but this time with *n* being groups or
>> institutions. It would be great if we could get our like-minded friends in
>> the area to enjoy our common spaces as well, especially the classroom. We
>> could also solicit a wider range of art to be displayed for next Art Murmur
>> on August 3.
>>
>> Can someone from the Mothership do a straw poll of interest in the
>> invitation? And other sudo-represented groups among us? I'd gamble on being
>> able to reach a Sudo-minyan of groups as well - and so will offer the
>> eddan.com blog as a voluntary contributor.
>>
>>
>> I also wanted to propose that we hold a formal ceremony at the end of our
>> meeting tonight to try and answer the question asked on our sudo-nymous pad
>> - "How many hackers can you fit in a Sudo Room?" I propose that July rent
>> contributors and/or their proxies would be called first to step into the
>> box office room so that we can give an informed and empirical answer to the
>> posed question.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Eddan
>> [Self-Appointed Exchequer]
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/12 6:54 PM, Hilary Naylor wrote:
>>
>> +1 (prefer Paypal)
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  I will pay $[rent]/n too.
>>
>>
>> On 3 July 2012 11:34, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com> <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi Jehan -
>>
>> There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
>> distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys
>> to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another
>> set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to
>> you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is
>> also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when
>> opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though
>> the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
>> $10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the
>> tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be
>> relevant for many users of the space.
>>
>> I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
>> Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past couple
>> meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the
>> permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center
>> where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to which
>> we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I therefore
>> didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the amount I was
>> asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start using that room
>> - let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right now, about 5
>> people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the junk lying
>> around - still making my way through it.
>>
>>
>> -Eddan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>
>> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
>> wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
>> access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
>> new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and how
>> do I get in?
>>
>> -Jehan
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry
>> if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a
>> supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a
>> better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear
>> people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward.
>>
>> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
>> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
>> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our
>> base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping
>> that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant
>> to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
>> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
>> how small that amount can be.
>>
>> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will
>> be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to
>> the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on
>> Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>>
>> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a
>> membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to
>> try them out - at least in the interim.
>>
>>
>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com" <mattsenate at gmail.com><mattsenate at gmail.com> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Eddan,
>>
>> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July,
>> I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
>> donations easily too.
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
>> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
>> resources infrequently.
>>
>> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me
>> they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the
>> duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and
>> participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this
>> whole governance discussion.
>>
>> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
>> resources!
>>
>> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net> <kinetical at comcast.net>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
>> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
>> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org> <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Eddan,
>>
>> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by
>> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we
>> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> Tracy
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>
>>
>>  At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
>> make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
>> used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
>> that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
>> make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
>> any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
>> there is the matter of July rent.
>>
>> I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
>> officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
>> this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
>> Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
>> our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
>> filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
>> Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
>> gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
>> give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
>> about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
>> you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
>> payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>>
>> But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
>> continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
>> be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
>> for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
>> and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
>> ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
>> number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
>> the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
>> amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
>> any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
>> opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>>
>> This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
>> does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
>> shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
>> list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
>> Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
>> solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
>> group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
>> pages to voice your concerns.
>>
>> -Eddan
>> [self-appointed exchequer]
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