[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Thu Jul 5 03:54:20 CEST 2012

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On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 1:38 PM, Max Klein <isalix at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will pay $[rent]/n too.
>
>
> On 3 July 2012 11:34, Victoria Bogdan <bogdan.victoria at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Also happy to contribute for July, so please add my name to the tally!
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Jehan -
>>>
>>> There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
>>> distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the keys
>>> to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made another
>>> set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and give them to
>>> you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of duplicates. There is
>>> also a key to the main door - for the door itself and the gate-lock when
>>> opening up and closing down. There are only several of these keys, though
>>> the landlord would be willing to make additional ones for an additional
>>> $10/month. Since that door is usually already opened by 8am by one of the
>>> tenants and generally only closed at around 11pm - that key would not be
>>> relevant for many users of the space.
>>>
>>> I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
>>> Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past couple
>>> meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with the
>>> permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation Center
>>> where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the criteria to which
>>> we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room space. I therefore
>>> didn't think it would be appropriate to include that in the amount I was
>>> asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want to start using that room
>>> - let me know and I will make a copy for you as well. Right now, about 5
>>> people have keys to that room. My apologies for some of the junk lying
>>> around - still making my way through it.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Eddan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
>>> wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
>>> access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
>>> new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and how
>>> do I get in?
>>>
>>> -Jehan
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry
>>>> if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a
>>>> supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a
>>>> better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear
>>>> people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward.
>>>>
>>>> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
>>>> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
>>>> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our
>>>> base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping
>>>> that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant
>>>> to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
>>>> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
>>>> how small that amount can be.
>>>>
>>>> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will
>>>> be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to
>>>> the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on
>>>> Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>>>>
>>>> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a
>>>> membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to
>>>> try them out - at least in the interim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com"
>>>> <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Eddan,
>>>>
>>>> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July,
>>>> I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
>>>> donations easily too.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy,
>>>>
>>>> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
>>>> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
>>>> resources infrequently.
>>>>
>>>> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me
>>>> they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the
>>>> duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and
>>>> participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this
>>>> whole governance discussion.
>>>>
>>>> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
>>>> resources!
>>>>
>>>> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>>>>
>>>> - Matt
>>>>
>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net>
>>>> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
>>>> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
>>>> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>>> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sorry Eddan,
>>>>
>>>> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by
>>>> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we
>>>> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>>
>>>> Tracy
>>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
>>>> > make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
>>>> > used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
>>>> > that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
>>>> > make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
>>>> > any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
>>>> > there is the matter of July rent.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
>>>> > officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
>>>> > this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
>>>> > Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
>>>> > our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
>>>> > filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
>>>> > Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
>>>> > gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
>>>> > give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
>>>> > about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
>>>> > you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
>>>> > payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>>>> >
>>>> > But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
>>>> > continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
>>>> > be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
>>>> > for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
>>>> > and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
>>>> > ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
>>>> > number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
>>>> > the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
>>>> > amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
>>>> > any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
>>>> > opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>>>> >
>>>> > This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
>>>> > does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
>>>> > shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
>>>> > list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
>>>> > Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
>>>> > solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
>>>> > group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
>>>> > pages to voice your concerns.
>>>> >
>>>> > -Eddan
>>>> > [self-appointed exchequer]
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