[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Tue Jul 3 19:36:52 CEST 2012

So I have a current count of 11 people who have written saying they'd be willing to chip in. Including myself, that means the sum total for each will already be under $50.  In order for it to be under $25, we need 12 more volunteers.

If you want to figure out a time to stop by, I would imagine someone who currently has keys could meet you there, or you could call me at (415) 728-5800.

On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:58 AM, Ryan Stellar <rstellar at gmail.com> wrote:

> I would happily pay 7-25 dollars. 
> 
> But would love to stop by first. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and how do I get in?
>> 
>> -Jehan
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:
>> Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward. 
>> 
>> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand our base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate how small that amount can be. 
>> 
>> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>> 
>> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to try them out - at least in the interim.
>> 
>> 
>> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>> 
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com" <mattsenate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Eddan,
>>> 
>>> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July, I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur donations easily too.
>>> 
>>> Tracy,
>>> 
>>> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo resources infrequently.
>>> 
>>> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment to access and participation not contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this whole governance discussion.
>>> 
>>> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more resources! 
>>> 
>>> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>>> 
>>> - Matt
>>> 
>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net>
>>> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
>>> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
>>> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
>>> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sorry Eddan,
>>> 
>>> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by  
>>> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we  
>>> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> 
>>> Tracy
>>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>> 
>>> > At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to  
>>> > make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be  
>>> > used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being  
>>> > that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to  
>>> > make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated  
>>> > any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then  
>>> > there is the matter of July rent.
>>> >
>>> > I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room  
>>> > officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at  
>>> > this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange  
>>> > Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to  
>>> > our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be  
>>> > filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good  
>>> > Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already  
>>> > gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to  
>>> > give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear  
>>> > about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,  
>>> > you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online  
>>> > payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>>> >
>>> > But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to  
>>> > continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would  
>>> > be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent  
>>> > for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me  
>>> > and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will  
>>> > ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the  
>>> > number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher  
>>> > the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution  
>>> > amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for  
>>> > any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an  
>>> > opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>>> >
>>> > This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor  
>>> > does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t- 
>>> > shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running  
>>> > list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135  
>>> > Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to  
>>> > solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this  
>>> > group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo  
>>> > pages to voice your concerns.
>>> >
>>> > -Eddan
>>> > [self-appointed exchequer]
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