[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
Eddan Katz
eddan at oaklandlocal.com
Tue Jul 3 19:14:06 CEST 2012
Hi Jehan -
There are two keys for 2135 Broadway that have been duplicated and
distributed around so as to make getting a copy easier - those are the
keys to: (1) the Box Office; and (2) the Orange Closet. I recently made
another set of those keys though and would happily meet you there and
give them to you. The landlord has no restrictions on the number of
duplicates. There is also a key to the main door - for the door itself
and the gate-lock when opening up and closing down. There are only
several of these keys, though the landlord would be willing to make
additional ones for an additional $10/month. Since that door is usually
already opened by 8am by one of the tenants and generally only closed at
around 11pm - that key would not be relevant for many users of the space.
I have also paid the July rent ($300) for the upstairs office at 2141
Broadway, which has allowed us use of the reception area for the past
couple meetings. Accessibility is still only temporarily resolved with
the permission we've had from the landlord and the East Bay Meditation
Center where the elevator is, and therefore does not yet meet the
criteria to which we've committed in getting an appropriate Sudo Room
space. I therefore didn't think it would be appropriate to include that
in the amount I was asking from the Sudo folks on the list. If you want
to start using that room - let me know and I will make a copy for you as
well. Right now, about 5 people have keys to that room. My apologies for
some of the junk lying around - still making my way through it.
-Eddan
On 7/3/12 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback wrote:
> Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
> wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how
> can I access the space to work there? I would love to get started
> hackin' in our new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we
> actually renting, and how do I get in?
>
> -Jehan
>
> On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com
> <mailto:eddan at oaklandlocal.com>> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm
> sorry if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I
> was actually a supporter of postponing the decision to use
> existing funds until we have a better sense of how we work and
> what we're about. I'm very glad to hear people think we're at a
> critical mass and are impatient to move forward.
>
> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of
> people, a proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the
> most sense. To clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for
> paying July rent to expand our base of people who are connected
> and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am hoping that this would be
> incentive to get more people on board. It was not meant to be a
> suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can
> demonstrate how small that amount can be.
>
> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it
> will be less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email
> subscribers to the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by
> 142 (number of likes on Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>
> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily
> using a membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves
> the opportunity to try them out - at least in the interim.
>
>
> sent from +1(415) 728-5800 <tel:%2B1%28415%29%20728-5800>
>
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com
> <mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com>" <mattsenate at gmail.com
> <mailto:mattsenate at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>> Eddan,
>>
>> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out
>> before July, I am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we
>> could get art murmur donations easily too.
>>
>> Tracy,
>>
>> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to
>> contribute regular dues, and to take donations from people who
>> use and appreciate sudo resources infrequently.
>>
>> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means.
>> To me they should carry reasonable weight and an articulated
>> benefit to the duepayer. This of course must cherish a commitment
>> to access and participation not contingent on funds. I believe
>> that is hat underlies this whole governance discussion.
>>
>> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with
>> more resources!
>>
>> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>>
>> - Matt
>>
>> ----- Reply message -----
>> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net
>> <mailto:kinetical at comcast.net>>
>> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
>> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
>> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com
>> <mailto:eddan at oaklandlocal.com>>
>> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org
>> <mailto:sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry Eddan,
>>
>> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or by
>> paypal if you prefer. I don't understand the politics here or
>> why we
>> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>>
>> Tracy
>>
>> Tracy
>> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>>
>> > At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided
>> not to
>> > make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
>> > used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale
>> being
>> > that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
>> > make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
>> > any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
>> > there is the matter of July rent.
>> >
>> > I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
>> > officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
>> > this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
>> > Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
>> > our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
>> > filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
>> > Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
>> > gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his
>> willingness to
>> > give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
>> > about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any
>> time,
>> > you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and
>> online
>> > payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
>> >
>> > But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I
>> wanted to
>> > continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people
>> would
>> > be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
>> > for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
>> > and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I
>> will
>> > ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
>> > number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the
>> higher
>> > the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
>> > amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too
>> steep for
>> > any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
>> > opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
>> >
>> > This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
>> > does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a
>> free t-
>> > shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
>> > list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
>> > Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
>> > solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
>> > group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
>> > pages to voice your concerns.
>> >
>> > -Eddan
>> > [self-appointed exchequer]
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