[sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?

Tue Jul 3 18:58:47 CEST 2012

I would happily pay 7-25 dollars.

But would love to stop by first.

On Jul 3, 2012, at 9:15 AM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com> wrote:

Cool, I can bring $50 by for the next meeting... are we meeting this
wednesday? I guess my question would be, once I have helped pay, how can I
access the space to work there? I would love to get started hackin' in our
new hackerspace. Which part of the building are we actually renting, and
how do I get in?

-Jehan

On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at oaklandlocal.com> wrote:

> Thanks for the immediate offers to help out - on and off list. I'm sorry
> if the intended tone of my suggestion didn't come across. I was actually a
> supporter of postponing the decision to use existing funds until we have a
> better sense of how we work and what we're about. I'm very glad to hear
> people think we're at a critical mass and are impatient to move forward.
>
> Given our current status as an unincorporated association of people, a
> proposal for voluntary contributions seemed to make the most sense. To
> clarify, I was hoping to use the occasion for paying July rent to expand
> our base of people who are connected and feel involved in Sudo Room. I am
> hoping that this would be incentive to get more people on board. It was not
> meant to be a suggestion for another fundraising campaign for Sudo Room. By
> suggesting that everyone give an equal amount, I think we can demonstrate
> how small that amount can be.
>
> For example, if 12 people go in together (including me) - then it will be
> less than $50. If split by 77 (the current number of email subscribers to
> the list) - it would be $7.50 each. If divided by 142 (number of likes on
> Facebook), we would each pay $4.
>
> There are many ways to cover mutual expenses without necessarily using a
> membership dues model. I think we should give ourselves the opportunity to
> try them out - at least in the interim.
>
>
> sent from +1(415) 728-5800
>
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 7:01 PM, "mattsenate at gmail.com" <mattsenate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Eddan,
>
> I wish we were in a better position to have sorted this out before July, I
> am happy to kick in some cash, and I think we could get art murmur
> donations easily too.
>
> Tracy,
>
> I'm very much interested in establishing, very soon, a way to contribute
> regular dues, and to take donations from people who use and appreciate sudo
> resources infrequently.
>
> However, it would be smart to establish what paying dues means. To me they
> should carry reasonable weight and an articulated benefit to the duepayer.
> This of course must cherish a commitment to access and participation not
> contingent on funds. I believe that is hat underlies this whole governance
> discussion.
>
> I plan to explain this position in more detail on wiki and with more
> resources!
>
> Join me http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Sudo_room/Governance_Structure
>
> - Matt
>
> ----- Reply message -----
> From: "Tracy Jacobs" <kinetical at comcast.net>
> Date: Mon, Jul 2, 2012 5:51 pm
> Subject: [sudoroom] July Rent: Inversion of a Ponzi Scheme?
> To: "Eddan Katz" <eddan at oaklandlocal.com>
> Cc: <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>
>
> Sorry Eddan,
>
> I can give you fifty dollars for July when I next see you or  by
> paypal if you prefer.  I don't understand the politics here or why we
> are not deciding to pay some dues for rent.
>
> Tracy
>
> Tracy
> On Jul 2, 2012, at 5:32 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:
>
> > At the decision-making in-gathering last week, it was decided not to
> > make a decision about existing Sudo Room fund-raising income to be
> > used to pay rent at 2135 Broadway, at this time. The rationale being
> > that we've had a hard enough time making a decision about how to
> > make decisions that the process should probably not be complicated
> > any further. I applaud our resilience of deliberation, but then
> > there is the matter of July rent.
> >
> > I would like to propose something not on behalf of Sudo Room
> > officially, but that I hope will help us accomplish our goals, at
> > this time. The rent due for July for the "Box Office" and "Orange
> > Closet" amounts to $575. Since the "box office" will be central to
> > our Art Murmur happening and the "orange closet" continues to be
> > filled in our obsolete technology drive, I wanted to ask the good
> > Sudo folk on this list to pitch in for that amount. Tracy already
> > gave me $40 last week and Marc publicly announced his willingness to
> > give me $60 on-list. I want to make sure that everyone is clear
> > about the fact that if you would like to give me money at any time,
> > you are most welcome to. I have accounts with most mobile and online
> > payment providers, if that makes it any easier.
> >
> > But in terms of the $575 for July rent at 2135 Broadway, I wanted to
> > continue in our straw poll practice of gauging how many people would
> > be willing to chip in. If you're willing to go in together on rent
> > for the space in July, please reply to this email with a +1 (to me
> > and/or the list). By 6pm on Friday (the start of Art Murmur), I will
> > ask these voluntary contributors to give me $575 divided by the
> > number of people willing to volunteer. Needless to say - the higher
> > the number of people contributing, the lower the contribution
> > amount. If the number of contributors results in a sum too steep for
> > any volunteer in particular, the Art Murmur event could be an
> > opportunity to draw in others to cover that amount.
> >
> > This contribution does not constitute membership in Sudo Room, nor
> > does it enable special voting power, the use of a shelf, or a free t-
> > shirt. I was hoping though to get some help to display a running
> > list of the names of contributors against one of the walls at 2135
> > Broadway on Friday. If someone objects to the use of this list to
> > solicit July rent for and/or to the display of the names of this
> > group on the wall, please speak up and/or use the anonymous Sudo
> > pages to voice your concerns.
> >
> > -Eddan
> > [self-appointed exchequer]
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