[sudoroom] The Sudo Sandwich

Mon Dec 31 23:42:21 CET 2012

i make the best sandwiches. apologies, but i will not be entertaining
debate on this issue.

also, relevant to eddan's and most likely others' interests:
http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2012/11/real-estate-deal-could-change-future-everything/3897/

- marina

On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Leonid Kozhukh <len at ligertail.com> wrote:

> more importantly, eddan, what tax structure do we use for such an
> undertaking? shouldnt we put our eggs in multiple bread-baskets, if you
> will, and diversify to cover all extremes of diet preference as well as
> authoritarian control over ones life?
>
> some food for thought, no doubt. ha
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 2:29 PM, Eddan Katz <eddan at eddan.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Sudo folk -
>>
>> There's been some talk of a Sudo Sandwich of late. I've decided (as
>> eddan.com) to make the creation of the ultimate Sudo sandwich one of my
>> resolutions for this upcoming year.
>>
>> Trying to get a bit of a head start, I spoke to Nacho Boy earlier today,
>> who's the guy that kind of looks like the guy in the Ike's Lair logo, but
>> apparently is not. Ike's Lair is the sandwich shop on Sudo Sq., about which
>> I don't really need to further advertise, deducing from the familiar brown
>> paper bags and lollipop wrappers evident in the Sudo trash & recycling.
>>
>> I got some good background on Ike's and the external process by which
>> someone can propose a sandwich talking to Nacho Boy. He's apparently
>> responsible for quite a number of Ike's more than 400 sandwiches -
>> including the Nacho Boy, of course, but also proudly the Menage a Trois,
>> which is the most popular sandwich. (see http://ilikeikesplace.com/ for
>> a full listing). When I asked him for a list of ingredients, he did seem to
>> get a little defensive even though I hadn't yet mentioned anything about
>> the ultimate sandwich idea. It turns out we're going to have to reverse
>> engineer that from the website, which is thankfully laid out to sort by
>> ingredients anyhow.
>>
>> According to Nacho Boy, Ike's is on the verge of an explosion around the
>> Bay Area in 2013 on top of the quickly multiplying locations already,
>> including one at SFO. The way Nacho Boy tells it, it seems like 2013 will
>> be the year of Ike's and there's no stopping them. For a peek at what the
>> real Ike looks like and some more background, see
>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/26/us/26sfmetro.html. Watch out Subway, &
>> the guy named Jared made famous for having lost a lot of weight eating only
>> Subway sandwiches. Actually, Michael Phelps known for being the greatest
>> athlete in Olympic history, is now their mascot. Anyhow - see the Man v
>> Food Travel Channel youtube clip on Ike's for an even closer look --
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cGUsvqu2g.
>>
>> Despite the fame, Ike Shehadeh is very approachable Nacho Boy tells me -
>> he still tweets his own tweets and reads his own Facebook fan page comments.
>>
>> So, back to the Sudo Sandwich and the process by which we could create
>> the ultimate sandwich. The state of discussions I've taken part in around
>> Sudo Room has two main camps, as far as I can conclude. There are those who
>> believe this kind of thing should be done automatically, and propose that
>> the whole mailing list be surveyed for a democratically elected sandwich
>> that would be the ultimate Sudo Sandwich, as according to the members of
>> Sudo Room. There is another camp, call it the do-ocracy way if you will,
>> that thinks that people who think they're really good at making sandwiches
>> should propose a certain combination and the members of Sudo Room would
>> vote on the best one, but only members in good standing.
>>
>> I'd like to propose a third way, as I am wont to do. I think it would be
>> wise to follow on the ambition of our Oakland pioneer mentors, Pandora,
>> whose offices are still a block over in the building on Webster. The
>> special sauce is the Music Genome Project -
>> http://www.pandora.com/about/mgp - whereby each song is analyzed by paid
>> amateur local musicians according to more than a hundred component parts.
>> The algorithm of which song would be best to follow on the last one uses
>> this as a foundation and then adds the layer of popularity as represented
>> by the feedback users send back to Pandora as part of the customization of
>> their own tailored music channels. Pandora is now moving on to humor
>> apparently, to create a genome project of that. Pandora will ultimately be
>> known not for radio, but as a taste engine, IMHO. This part of creating the
>> ultimate sandwich is crucial to avoid those aspects of taste that are
>> outside of majority-vote based rules, where you somehow end up with ancho
>>  vies and blueberry jam, which don't go together as some matter of
>> objectivity, as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> On top of that and in the spirit of Sudo Room - I propose that the
>> ultimate sandwich algorithm be subject to the principals of Universal
>> Design (http://www.universaldesign.com/), which have advanced technology
>> and accessibility beyond the framework of special accommodation as required
>> by laws such as the ADA. The ultimate sandwich should, in my opinion, be
>> the sandwich that is openly accessible to just about any dietary
>> restriction. Peanut allergies, vegan philosophy, cave man diets, etc.
>> inclusive. The sandwich should be modular enough such that any such
>> restriction could be faithfully ameliorated with removal of that ingredient
>> from the sandwich, if need be, as a last resort. The accreditation system
>> of Kosher food, as an example of what must lie outside of such an
>> algorithm, is ultimately decided on a monopoly theory of control, whereby a
>> rabbi must be willing to put his name behind it. Those aspects of keeping
>> kosher based in a tradition of food chain systematics whose me
>>  thod and practice are universally accessible in being laid out in a
>> common text, could be accounted for however in such an algorithm.
>>
>> I should mention as a matter of disclosure of any possible bias that my
>> beliefs about the ultimate ingredients in food come from an unfortunate
>> experience thirteen years ago at Pauline's Pizza in San Francisco. A
>> gathering of several close friends from college, myself, and my girlfriend
>> at the time, who shall out of respect to this story, remain nameless.
>> Health-concerning eating issues aside, I was convinced that this group of
>> people could agree on common ingredients for a large pizza. A simple method
>> of tabulating ingredient preferences with the provided crayons on the wax
>> paper tablecloth turned quickly into a stormy occasion of veto control,
>> unnecessary name-calling, and quickly devolved into the belligerent sliding
>> of parmesan cheese and red pepper glass shakers. It remains a painful
>> memory to this day, and the particular events that occurred are still
>> controversial as a matter of fact.
>>
>>
>> -sent from eddan.com
>>
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