[sudoroom] Sudoroom open!

Sun Dec 16 07:18:55 CET 2012

Hi Jehan,

It's a logistical thing. While technically it's possible for people without
keys to lock up (I think?) so far we have been just leaving when then last
person with the key is leaving so they can lock up. That was the first time
i'd ever seen someone refuse to leave.

Anyway, it's not a who has more rights things... it's more practically, and
will be solved when the door access systems are all working.

Thanks,
Andrew

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Jehan Tremback <jehan.tremback at gmail.com>wrote:

> According to Jenny, Timon exhibited unacceptable behavior. Still, I
> wonder, which members have the right to ask another member to leave the
> space? Do those members who hold keys have more rights than other members?
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org> wrote:
>
>> Some further context re: Timon:
>>
>> -Timon has signed the compact.
>> -Several folks have witnessed Timon respond to modest conflict with
>> inappropriate levels of rage, marked by yelling, incoherence and what can
>> best be described as 'crazy eyes'.
>> -About a month or two ago, Timon told me and others that he'd been
>> arrested, and he'd dyed his hair and was otherwise laying low to avoid the
>> police.
>> -A key I gave Felicia to the building disappeared when Timon said he'd
>> mistakenly given her his apartment key.
>> -When I asked Timon about this key, he informed me he had several keys to
>> various past and present 'sudo rooms', which he'd be happy to return if I
>> gave him a ride to a police station in Redwood City to pick up his
>> belongings (including keys).
>>
>> I hope this info has better illuminated the context I was operating in. A
>> 'safe space' can mean many things, the nuances of which was the topic of
>> dinner conversation last night among me and my housemates. I'll respond to
>> Anthony's thread with those points separately.
>>
>> -Jenny
>> On Dec 14, 2012 7:14 PM, "David Rorex" <drorex at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Is Timon a member? If yes, maybe you could have given him a key and had
>>> him lock up later? If not a member, then it was definitely within your
>>> rights to ask him to leave.
>>>
>>> Though, if there's one person left in the space, would have been much
>>> more polite to talk to him directly instead of announcing to the air and
>>> then turning off the lights. (My apologies if that's not what happened, but
>>> that's what the email makes it sound like)
>>>
>>> Also, living in the space is not prohibited by the compact, just
>>> "strongly discouraged". If people want to actually prohibit it (which I
>>> highly recommend, unless you do actually want part of sudoroom's function
>>> to be a temporary living space), should update that wording.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2012 at 12:35 PM, Jenny Ryan <jenny at thepyre.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Last night around 2am I was in the space with Andrew and Timon. As the
>>>> only person left with keys, I announced that I was locking up the space and
>>>> that it was time to leave. Timon was in the sound studio/radio room and
>>>> continued to whistle and sing while I repeated several times that I was
>>>> closing down the space. Finally I turned off the lights, and Timon
>>>> approached me rather aggressively, stating repeatedly that he was not
>>>> leaving.
>>>>
>>>> I have very reasonable boundaries when it comes to aggression and
>>>> violent behavior. I felt threatened and left the space stating that I was
>>>> going to call the police. Luckily it didn't come to that, and Timon left
>>>> the building after ten minutes or so.
>>>>
>>>> At no point did Timon inform me that he had been locked out of his
>>>> apartment and needed a place to stay for the night. Regardless, sudo room
>>>> is not a hostel, as explicitly defined in our Compact, and last night's
>>>> incident is the second time I have felt unsafe in Timon's presence.
>>>>
>>>> We as a community have committed ourselves to creating a safe space. I
>>>> am also concerned for Timon and will dedicate some time to providing
>>>> informational resources re: nearby shelter and humanitarian support. I have
>>>> also already spoken with George (the landlord) about this incident. He was
>>>> very understanding and supportive and has said he will speak to Timon.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to all who have reached out. Sudo Room is overwhelmingly
>>>> composed of wonderful people.
>>>>
>>>> Jenny
>>>> On Dec 14, 2012 9:34 AM, "Eddan Katz" <eddan at eddan.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Timon -
>>>>>
>>>>> Didn't see these messages until just now this morning. Did you make it
>>>>> through the night OK?
>>>>> It would be really useful to figure out how to be helpful to you if
>>>>> you can let us know what's going on.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for the dispute resolution concern, it seems to me that it is
>>>>> actually working as intended. You have a complaint, you've raised it on the
>>>>> list, and now it has been put on the agenda for next week's meeting. How
>>>>> far we go into trying to solve this dispute is somewhat in your control at
>>>>> this point. I'd rather not go too far down that road, with people making
>>>>> accusations against each other.
>>>>>
>>>>> It seems like the best thing to do may be for you to suggest ways in
>>>>> which we could figure out as a community how to help you out, if you choose
>>>>> to stay in the community. It is a lot more difficult responding to urgent
>>>>> calls for help in the middle of the night, as I tried to respond to your
>>>>> earlier email. I have no idea what happened last night, but I can imagine
>>>>> the situation might have been complicated by the fact that there is mention
>>>>> of Sudo Room as a space for habitation in the Compact.
>>>>>
>>>>> sent from eddan.com
>>>>>
>>>>> On Dec 14, 2012, at 3:03 AM, timondocent at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone who has Bern abusively abrupt (to be polite) to me before and
>>>>> to another in my sight has now consigned me to the 47degF streets at
>>>>> 2:30am, and will now become the person who causes my creation of a rival
>>>>> space, with true transparent dispute resolution.
>>>>>  Duck that. I will not be shat on. If I "join" sudoroom it will be
>>>>> only as an addition to sudo space or spaces where everyone who can stay
>>>>> civil and kind is welcome, and whence I launch our As Yet To Be Named
>>>>> Academy Eddan wouldn't accept my money before bankaccount day, so please
>>>>> calculate my past due dues, and let me know.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my HTC One™ S on T-Mobile, two companies now forever to be
>>>>> infamous for opt-out piggyback-vector viral marketing.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Reply message -----
>>>>> From: "Marina Kukso" <marina.kukso at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Sudoroom" <sudoroom at lists.hackerspaces.org>
>>>>> Subject: [sudoroom] Sudoroom open!
>>>>> Date: Tue, Dec 11, 2012 6:11 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sudo room is open
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  On Dec 8, 2012 10:12 AM, "Marina Kukso" <marina.kukso at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone, sudo room is open and coffee is brewing. :)
>>>>>>>>>
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