[SpaceProgram] Request: accountability frameworks for makerspace governance?

Fri May 27 00:43:59 CEST 2016

Diminishing return guys/girls...

I've worked on large ESA projects with massive overheads and scrutiny, and
on tiny garage-based projects. Accountability, workplans etc are tools...
and as always one needs the right tools for the task at hand.

I've also worked for a philanthropist group, and (might be unique, but
maybe not)... they were mostly interested in outcomes, not details. Simply
put, the approach was to trust the person/group, check outcomes, repeat
with person/group at larger $ scale if good.

Cheers
Sam

On 27 May 2016 at 05:08, Michael Turner <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I'm sure that's been your experience, Matt. Subjectively, it has also been
> mine. I've chafed under accountability frameworks in almost every
> organization I've ever been in. They've always felt like a "massive,
> worthless drain."
>
> Here's the thing, though: the ones that didn't have them, fell apart.
> Sometimes in very embarrassing ways. And one thing I've learned in trying
> to work with nonprofits in some parts of the world is that if you ask for
> accountability, and get only indignation in response, you're better off
> turning away and not bothering with those people ever again. They are on
> the take. I don't want to be like them. When potential donors say, "I need
> to look at how you spend money," I want to be in a position throw all the
> verification at them that they could possibly want, and more. They'll want
> to know that the level of parasitism in my organization is acceptably low.
> How can I blame them?
>
> Permit a biological metaphor: a fair amount of any creature's metabolism
> goes into supporting its immune system. It's a lot. It's a massive,
> worthless drain, actually. Until there's an infection, or a cluster of
> mutant cells that might turn into a malignant tumor.
>
>
> Regards,
> Michael Turner
> Executive Director
> Project Persephone
> K-1 bldg 3F
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>
> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:26 AM, Silence Dogood <matt at nycresistor.com>
> wrote:
>
>> In my experience, working for a space agency, people who are interested
>> in "setting up a framework in which every iota of effort on funded
>> projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can be recorded."
>>  are usually a massive worthless drain on the project and very interested
>> in inserting themselves in places they have no earthly business being, just
>> to justify their continued leeching upon the project.  And, more often then
>> not, they cost more than they benefit anyone... not just in fiduciary cost,
>> but in time, complexity, and general nuisance factor introduced into the
>> day to day operational workflow of the group working on the project.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Michael Turner <
>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, in my experience of hackerspaces, there's lots of bitter argument
>>> by people who aren't contributing much of anything, much of the time. I
>>> tried. Eventually, I walked. I contributed time, money, equipment, project
>>> ideas ... but ultimately, I walked. I felt pretty alienated by know-it-all
>>> attitudes and a kind of knee-jerk anti-authoritarianism that prefers
>>> unproductive chaos to reasonable order.
>>>
>>> So, again:
>>>
>>> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every iota of effort
>>> on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can be
>>> recorded. I'm interested in this because I'll need donors at some point,
>>> and donors typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd like to
>>> hear from makerspace leaders who've been successful at setting up such
>>> frameworks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Michael Turner
>>> Executive Director
>>> Project Persephone
>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>
>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>>> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 1:08 AM, Silence Dogood <matt at nycresistor.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In open source, committers walk and everyone else talks... and is
>>>> promptly ignored.  If you think something can be done better, do it
>>>> better.  Leadership is an act of demonstrating a better path forward.
>>>> Decrying folks is not productive.  We know success when we see it,
>>>> everything else is just more of the same.
>>>>
>>>> So, stop bitching, and go make a difference.
>>>>
>>>> -Matt
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Michael Turner <
>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "You have to admit, Michael, that nearly every email you've sent has
>>>>> been a slash and burn."
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm destructive? What's more destructive: criticism of corruption, or
>>>>> corruption?
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>
>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking outward
>>>>> together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, May 27, 2016 at 12:57 AM, David <ainut at hiwaay.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> You have to admit, Michael, that nearly every email you've sent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/18/2016 11:02 AM, cole santos wrote:has been a slash and burn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David Merchant
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lol you just don't get it troll
>>>>>> On May 18, 2016 1:03 AM, "Michael Turner" <
>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike no one wanted to work with you because of emails like you
>>>>>>> just sent."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I thought there should be more openness and oversight, and so nobody
>>>>>>> wanted to work with me? Interesting. I hadn't realized that openness and
>>>>>>> oversight were such unpopular things when spending taxpayers money. Unless,
>>>>>>> of course, you're a taxpayer. Are you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Since I wrote the grant, and got the Corp formed, and followed
>>>>>>> through until the project start, I think it's ok moraly."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I always assumed an education in philosophy would acquaint a person
>>>>>>> with the difference between morals and ethics. You learn something every
>>>>>>> day, I guess.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
>>>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 1:48 AM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mike no one wanted to work with you because of emails like you just
>>>>>>>> sent. We are amateurs hacking it. Ps haesh was my project and it was
>>>>>>>> somewhat a sweetheart deal. I had to choose between a project or a job.
>>>>>>>> Since I wrote the grant, and got the Corp formed, and followed through
>>>>>>>> until the project start, I think it's ok moraly. The other projects were
>>>>>>>> all random submissions. The principal aka jerry got overwhelmed and didn't
>>>>>>>> even really want the job. I kinda forced it on him as I had a full time
>>>>>>>> job. Reality is not nearly as sensational as u wish.
>>>>>>>> On May 16, 2016 9:07 PM, "Michael Turner" <
>>>>>>>> michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> First things first:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every iota of
>>>>>>>>> effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can
>>>>>>>>> be recorded. I'm interested in this because I'll need donors at some point,
>>>>>>>>> and donors typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>> hear from makerspace leaders who've been successful at setting up such
>>>>>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, about the "drama":
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 2:51 AM, gmc < <gmc at hackerspaces.org>
>>>>>>>>> gmc at hackerspaces.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yay, drama. It's what hackers are best at! Bye bye mailing list.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Clearly, some disillusionment and malaise has set in.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hackerspaces.org? No blog update since just about two years ago.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Interesting critique there, though:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://flux.hackerspaces.org/2014/01/19/diversity-and-the-hacker-scene/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Drama will never go away permanently. Sometimes the only way to
>>>>>>>>> quell drama is with rules.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're going to have rules, you can try counting on ideas like
>>>>>>>>> legitimizing all decisions through the rule of relying on consensus (it
>>>>>>>>> always breaks down). Or on rules set by some "benevolent oligarchy" (the
>>>>>>>>> "oligarchs" often get tired of arbitration and moderation, and go missing.)
>>>>>>>>> There are a variety of other dodges of the basic responsibility of
>>>>>>>>> collective governance, which is tedious and stressful compared to making
>>>>>>>>> things.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the case of SpaceGAMBIT, the dodge took the form of locating
>>>>>>>>> all authority over spending that $500,000 in a tiny handful of people who
>>>>>>>>> operated in a pretty opaque fashion. In at least one case, the opacity was
>>>>>>>>> defended by a SpaceGAMBIT principal in terms of DARPA's tight regulations
>>>>>>>>> about the release of information. When I asked for chapter and verse of
>>>>>>>>> those regulations, there was no answer. Wait: you're saying you got money
>>>>>>>>> from a government agency that doesn't tell taxpayers the basis on which it
>>>>>>>>> allows awarded organizations to release information about how taxpayer
>>>>>>>>> money is being spent? Interesting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given the nature of the political differences over taking money
>>>>>>>>> from DARPA, I can see a reason for not identifying winning teams when the
>>>>>>>>> awards went out. It might have been defensible as a way to protect the
>>>>>>>>> awarded teams from harassment by those who were most loudly opposed to that
>>>>>>>>> money, and to what any hackerspace group taking that money symbolized to
>>>>>>>>> them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem was: opacity could enable sweetheart deals. Waste. Lax
>>>>>>>>> controls.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And what do we have at the end?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Examples:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $20,000 for an open source satellite mission design project that
>>>>>>>>> apparently never checked anything into a repo.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The HAESH project, which, by some odd coincidence, was based in
>>>>>>>>> Hawaii. (And apparently on Maui.)That was statistically unlikely,
>>>>>>>>> especially when you consider that the main SpaceGAMBIT executive exulted at
>>>>>>>>> one point about how great it was to work internationally, not just in
>>>>>>>>> America, and not just in his tiny home region of -- you guessed it --
>>>>>>>>> Hawaii. Maui, in fact.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about the thousands of dollars for the open source
>>>>>>>>> Make-a-Space Kit? It had a laudable goal.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "The goal of this project is to complete the content--finalize the
>>>>>>>>> entire kit-- and then create a turn-key online template which a new or
>>>>>>>>> existing space can use to instantiate the online project management, assign
>>>>>>>>> specific tasks to board members, track accountability, and effectively
>>>>>>>>> communicate about the status of the activities as the space is launched and
>>>>>>>>> formed."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Where is it? Dead links on the SpaceGAMBIT site. Try to get
>>>>>>>>> something back from the Wayback Machine? Unsuccessful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about that Asteroid Badge?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   https://github.com/CuriosityHacked/Learning/wiki/SpaceAsteroids
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's something in there that looks like a rough draft of
>>>>>>>>> Make-a-Space Kit, but certainly nothing that looks "finalized."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thousands of dollars spent on those two projects. And this is all
>>>>>>>>> there is to show for it?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's what happens when there's no openness or accountability, and
>>>>>>>>> when money can be spent without significant oversight by a small group of
>>>>>>>>> people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, to repeat my request:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm interested in setting up a framework in which every iota of
>>>>>>>>> effort on funded projects can be tracked, and every penny of spending can
>>>>>>>>> be recorded. I'm interested in this because I'll need donors at some point,
>>>>>>>>> and donors typically require high transparency -- and results. I'd like to
>>>>>>>>> hear from makerspace leaders who've been successful at setting up such
>>>>>>>>> frameworks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
>>>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
>>>>>>>>> turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 16 May 2016 18:26:04 CEST, Michael Turner <
>>>>>>>>>> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 12:55 AM, cole santos <
>>>>>>>>>>> <cksantos85 at gmail.com>cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually we took the DarPA money and the project was a great
>>>>>>>>>>>> success. <http://Www.spacegambit.Com>Www.spacegambit.Com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A great success for some people, I suppose.  In a certain sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I pick a project at random.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.spacegambit.org/satstatsim/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Funding: $20,000
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> SpaceGAMBIT claim: only open source projects will be funded.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reality: well, ta! ke a look.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>    <http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://satstatsim.blogspot.jp/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Excuse: "schedules slip". OK, but you can't check in any code,
>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>   <https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://code.google.com/archive/p/satstatsim/source
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At least, that's the only repo I could find.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's nothing in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It was largely because of my concerns about openness, clear
>>>>>>>>>>> communication, democratic process, and leadership accountability that I
>>>>>>>>>>> decided to have nothing further to do with SpaceGAMBIT. This was after
>>>>>>>>>>> feeling enthusiastic about it and even defending it against what I thought
>>>>>>>>>>> was unfair criticism.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really, I'd prefer to have been wrong in my suspicions.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>> Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>> Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>>>> K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>>>> 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>>>> Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>>>> Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1140>
>>>>>>>>>>> Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158 <%2B81%20%283%29%206890-1158>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682 <%2B81%20%2890%29%205203-8682>
>>>>>>>>>>> <turner at projectpersephone.org>turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.projectpersephone.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in looking
>>>>>>>>>>> outward together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, May 16, 2016, Michael P Weber II <
>>>>>>>>>>>> <michaelweberii at gmail.com>michaelweberii at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 3:05 AM, Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <michael.eugene.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Whether intentional or not, the choice of watercress could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be very
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > space-relevant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (1) Biosphere II saw the direct participation of the late
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roy Walford, MD, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > pioneer self-experimenter in CRON (calorie restriction with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > nutrition) as a strategy for life extension. This research
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interested the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Biosphere II organizers because, in feeding long-duration
>>>>>>>>>>>>> space mission
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > participants, fewer calories eaten means, to a good first
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approximation,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > less mass for the ecological life support system, leading to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lower mission
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > cost, etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (2) Research into how CRON appears to increase lifespans (in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> part by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > reducing cancer risk -- a big issue in space travel because
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of space
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > radiation) reveals that it's more about protein restriction
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > calorie restriction per se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (3) Further research has suggested that it's specifically
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reduction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > methionine intake that is the main driver of life extension
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in CRON (hence,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > presumably, lower cancer risk);
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (4) High-glycine diets sop up excess methionine. (To be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sure: methionine is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > an essential amino acid; glycine is not. But it seems that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with methionine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > you can get too much of a good thing.)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > (5) Watercress is very high in glycine, quite low in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> methionine. Watercress
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > might be ideal for offsetting the cancer risks from space
>>>>>>>>>>>>> radiation in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > long-duration space missions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > I think a good next step in such work would be to try to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> optimize watercress
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > production in an aeroponic rather than a hydroponic style.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hydroponics is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > great, highly productive, but ... water is heavy. Aeroponics
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can give you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > much of the benefit of hydroponics but with a fraction of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the equipment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > mass. Aeroponics should be more adaptable to low-g and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> microgravity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > environments since it's not gravity-dependent -- it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> basically just the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > deposition of nutrient-enriched mist droplets on plant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> roots. Aeroponics may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > have gotten its start from NASA funding.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Executive Director
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Project Persephone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > K-1 bldg 3F
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > 7-2-6 Nishishinjuku
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Shinjuku-ku Tokyo 160-0023
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Tel: +81 (3) 6890-1140
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Fax: +81 (3) 6890-1158
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Mobile: +81 (90) 5203-8682
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > turner at projectpersephone.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > <http://www.projectpersephone.org/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.projectpersephone.org/
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > "Love does not consist in gazing at each other, but in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> looking outward
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > together in the same direction." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>>>>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>>> > On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Michael Turner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you going to take over the list then?
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