[SpaceProgram] sea vs. spacesteading

Fri Sep 28 11:37:46 CEST 2012

Blowing lungs happens more than the bends does. Seen bout 10 people die
like that in 2 years, only seen 1 die with bends and he was deco diving
On Sep 27, 2012 2:59 PM, "Jerry Isdale" <jerry at mauimakers.com> wrote:

> blowing lungs is rare.
> air bubbles can form in muscle, fat, joints or what is more devastating in
> the myelin sheath around nerves.
> long term breathing at > surface pressure increases the uptake of
> dissolved gasses in these tissues
> and dramatically increases the chance of a micro-bubble disrupting the
> tissues
> Not too bad for muscle/fat, not good for joints, life threatening in
> nerves.
> been there, lost family.  not good.
>
> Jerry Isdale
> http://MauiMakers.com
> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>
> On Sep 27, 2012, at 1:50 PM, cole santos wrote:
>
> You can blow your lungs in 2-3 feet if you dont exhale on the way up.
> Number one cause of diver death.
> On Sep 27, 2012 1:37 PM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> yeah, I was planning on having it shallower than 30 feet to avoid big
>> pressure changes. I was thinking of ice diving, when you stay shallower
>> than 30 feet so you can swim up to the surface fast at any time without
>> much danger but I forgot about the issue of a super long underwater stay.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 7:31 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> If they stayed for longer than 2 hours at 30 feet they could get the
>>> bends. Any deeper and it much faster than that even.
>>>
>>> Astonaughts can get the bends coming out of a space suit into habitat if
>>> its lower presure in the suit for mobility.
>>> On Sep 27, 2012 7:54 AM, "Lee von Kraus" <leevonk at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm not a member of any hacker spaces, I have everything I need in my
>>>> living room or at a workspace at the lab where I work. Not going to the
>>>> Maker Faire, I actually just retracted a presentation cause of some
>>>> confusion as to availability of audio-visual equipment/outlets.
>>>>
>>>> The 'dangerous' part of the underwater bell is the other reason I
>>>> didn't go through with it. I initially wanted to let people sleep down
>>>> there but then I realized it would be too easy for them to die on the way
>>>> up and sue me.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmm, eastern us coast does have a lot of nasty water... which could
>>>>> simulate more noxious alien atmosphere
>>>>> but probably not what we'd want to do for a first step sea stead.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep this in mind as we go forward. Are you a member of NYC Resistor,
>>>>> Alpha One Labs or other NYC area hackerspace?
>>>>> (Are you going to World Maker Faire this weekend?  I SOOOO wish I
>>>>> could be there!)
>>>>>
>>>>>  Jerry Isdale
>>>>> http://MauiMakers.com
>>>>> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 27, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I actually won a small grant ($1000) about a year ago to build a
>>>>> minimalist submersible habitat. It was going to be a transparent diving
>>>>> bell type thing made out of a solid acrylic dome, filled with air and tied
>>>>> to some anchors. Then I saw that someone had already build something
>>>>> similar using a transparent tarp for the dome with a net over it that was
>>>>> tied to anchors (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Phj3lLEtWlk).
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have the gear I bought to build it but I never was able to
>>>>> find a suitable place to put it (needs big, big anchors). The gear includes
>>>>> a thick transparent tarp, large cargo net, and a scuba 'hookah', surface
>>>>> supply setup (to aid in setup and swimming down to the base). I live in
>>>>> Brooklyn New York if anyone knows a good location (most are too polluted or
>>>>> have heavy boat traffic) or would want to help out in installing it
>>>>> somewhere. In any case the general concept could be used to make a
>>>>> prototype to do tests with (isolation, power generation, etc). If someone
>>>>> has a good location near them I could maybe bring the gear and we could set
>>>>> it up there. Alternatively we could contact the 'bubble room' people (in
>>>>> the video)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 12:59 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I love otec, ive seen it in action on the big island. when combined
>>>>>> with a thermal vent, or geothermal well it could be much more efficient.
>>>>>> On Sep 27, 2012 1:59 AM, "Pastor Gabe" <gabeterasem at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Glad  to see this discussion and wanted to throw a couple cents in...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a lot of interest in the seasteading community in space.
>>>>>>> There are I would say three factions of the movement: capitalists,
>>>>>>> libertarians and spacers. Someone noted that the there are many ties
>>>>>>> between sea and space but technology the least of them, and that in some
>>>>>>> ways is true. Especially when you look at the converted oil rig
>>>>>>> architecture, there is little practical application of that tech in space.
>>>>>>> Someone else however noted the link between underwater and space, which is
>>>>>>> exactly where I and the spacer faction of seasteaders want to take this.
>>>>>>> The political and ecological work done by seasteaders is also useful, but
>>>>>>> by it's nature I think this group is really focused on the tech.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is my vision for shared progress:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An ocean floor/submarine habitat, powered solely by OTEC, thermal
>>>>>>> vent or reactor simulates the conditions of space as best and as cheaply as
>>>>>>> possible, including the psychological isolation issues. Submerging a
>>>>>>> habitat is virtually free compared to placing it in orbit. Space actually
>>>>>>> has an advantage of allowing us to use inflatable technology that is not
>>>>>>> practical submarine. An argument I made during the 100yss conference is
>>>>>>> that seasteading is a sandbox for spacesteading. Sure some things will need
>>>>>>> to be adapted, but there is a lot we can test and in doing so develop the
>>>>>>> foundation and confidence that there is a commercially viable interest in a
>>>>>>> space industry. I ask people to look at America's founding, with large
>>>>>>> corporations not forming or coming onboard until small communities put it
>>>>>>> all on the line to make the move to the new frontier. The oceans may not be
>>>>>>> our destination, but it will be on our journey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also want to applaud everyone's efforts here. I hope and believe
>>>>>>> that it will be people like you that make dreams of space travel/ living a
>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Pastor Gabe
>>>>>>> Terasem Movement Transreligion - 321-409-1580
>>>>>>> http://terasemian.wordpress.com/
>>>>>>> http://www.meetup.com/Terasem
>>>>>>> http://terasemfaith.net/
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>>>>>>> released!!
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> book, The Singularity Is Near, produced by Martine Rothblatt and Terasem
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