[SpaceProgram] Seasteading crossover options

Thu Sep 27 04:06:42 CEST 2012

it's very hands on, not theoretical at all, the guy actually lived on boats
with everything described in the book. I think it's still copyrighted, not
sure. There isn't really any high tech stuff, it concentrates on low tech
stuff that one can build on ones own and which will not easily fail under
harsh conditions.

On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Alex Cureton-Griffiths <alexcg at gmail.com>wrote:

> This makes a lot of sense to me. Is the book pretty hands-on and
> practical, or more theoretical and airy-fairy? Since it's no longer
> published I'm guessing we'll have newer and better tech for some of the
> challenges, while other challenges could use much the same tech.
>
> Would love a way to share the physical, paper based knowledge with
> everyone else. Since it's no longer published, is it still under copyright?
> That is the major barrier I see to sharing
>
> On 27 Sep, 2012, at 9:32 AM, Lee von Kraus wrote:
>
> The best book out there for seasteading is "sailing the farm". I just
> bought a used copy 2 weeks ago for around $60 (not published anymore). As
> far as I know the guy that wrote it is partnering with the founder of Ebay
> in heading the Seasteading Institute. There is a lot of crossover with
> spacesteading in the [sustainable food in a small space] realm and maybe a
> little in the engineering realm too.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree with your RV idea. Here is the progression I see for long term
>> type stuff.
>>
>> 1. Component R&D and construction take place in
>> individual work-spaces via 1-5k GAMBIT grants. In addition we can throw a
>> few competitions into the mix for fun and try and get some cool prizes to
>> be donated. Successful projects will most likely leverage multiple funding
>> sources, crowd, grants, etc.
>>
>> 2. Next scale is working projects into some kind of  land based closed
>> cycle habitat. RV, container, whatever. It should double as a mobile
>> makerspace (tooling, advanced manufacturing, etc).
>>
>> 3. Scale up and move the land based technologies into the ocean and sub
>> ocean. This serves to weatherize/ air proof/ etc our technologies.
>>
>> 4. Stage four is gravity proofing. Zero G pumping, vibration, liquid air
>> separation, temp swing, and many other problems are then solved
>> and integrated into existing open source products.
>>
>>  This is a big step, from here we bring sustainable biopod hackerspaces
>> to space.
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Felix Hamilton <fhamilton at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Even better than a closed cycle boat (from a ground up perspective)
>>> might be doing a cut at a closed cycle RV/modular trailer system. Not only
>>> would it be quite cheap to put together from the ground up, but it could be
>>> moved around easily for collaborative and experimental purposes ... There
>>> is lots of crossover here with various sustainable living research areas,
>>> so it could be a very useful and low overhead way to get something
>>> hackerish going ...
>>>
>>>
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>>>> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 10:05:40 -1000
>>>> From: cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>
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>>>> Sea-steading crossover would be in certain systems. Sustainable habitat
>>>> design with a small footprint, waste management, food production, and
>>>> small
>>>> scale replication of industrial processes. If you look at their website
>>>> their goal is to be independent of land based infrastructure. As an avid
>>>> diver, I can tell you that the underwater environment is about as close
>>>> to
>>>> weightlessness as you can get. The issues of decompression, bends, and
>>>> other pressure sicknesses apply in space as much as underwater. Thier
>>>> habitats must be water proof, and if its water proof its air proof.
>>>> Think
>>>> about a sail boat. How long can you last without going ashore for fuel
>>>> and
>>>> water, dumping waste(assuming you dont use the ocean as a dumping
>>>> ground,
>>>> hence the sustainble part)? One stepwise goal could be to design a close
>>>> cycle boat for 1 man and send him around for a while. Initial projects
>>>> could be aspects of that entire system. Toilets, waste processing, micro
>>>> showers, food production systems, air handling systems, ect. You would
>>>> need
>>>> to process waste, capture water, control atmosphere, do hydroponics,
>>>> ect in
>>>> space and seasteaders would need similar tech. This would allow us to
>>>> test
>>>> habitat level 1 tech readiness technology without the cost of booting
>>>> it to
>>>> space. First test on ground, then at sea, then in space. NASA does the
>>>> same
>>>> thing that's what Aquarius was for. Navel engineering is not even close
>>>> to
>>>> the state where it can be considered a closed ecological system. They
>>>> dump
>>>> their waste at sea, they burn insane amounts of fuel to make water, cook
>>>> food, ect. They desalinate water instead of processing their waste
>>>> water,
>>>> ect.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Matt Johnson <railmeat at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > Cole, I cannot think of much tech that could cross over from
>>>> > seasteading to spacesteading. The seasteaders have it easy they rely
>>>> > on navel architecture, as well understood and established engineering
>>>> > domain. Not much technical research is required.
>>>> >
>>>> > They are much more ambitious in the political, legal, social and
>>>> > economic realms. I am sure spacesteaders will be able to learn a lot
>>>> > from seasteaders in those areas.
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Matt Johnson
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:08 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > > Seasteading has almost identical needs as spacesteading in theory it
>>>> > easyer
>>>> > > to develop. Perhaps it could be a stepwise goal. A lot of tech could
>>>> > cross
>>>> > > over.
>>>> > >
>>>> > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com
>>>> >
>>>> > wrote:
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> There was an interesting talk at 100YSS on SeaSteading ...
>>>> homesteaders
>>>> > >> going to sea... or under it.
>>>> > >>     http://lmgtfy.com/?q=seasteading
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Definitely an option to investigate.
>>>> > >>
>>>> > >> Jerry Isdale
>>>> > >> http://MauiMakers.com
>>>> > >> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>>
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