[SpaceProgram] Seasteading crossover options

Thu Sep 27 03:32:16 CEST 2012

The best book out there for seasteading is "sailing the farm". I just
bought a used copy 2 weeks ago for around $60 (not published anymore). As
far as I know the guy that wrote it is partnering with the founder of Ebay
in heading the Seasteading Institute. There is a lot of crossover with
spacesteading in the [sustainable food in a small space] realm and maybe a
little in the engineering realm too.

On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 6:44 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I agree with your RV idea. Here is the progression I see for long term
> type stuff.
>
> 1. Component R&D and construction take place in individual work-spaces via
> 1-5k GAMBIT grants. In addition we can throw a few competitions into the
> mix for fun and try and get some cool prizes to be donated. Successful
> projects will most likely leverage multiple funding sources, crowd, grants,
> etc.
>
> 2. Next scale is working projects into some kind of  land based closed
> cycle habitat. RV, container, whatever. It should double as a mobile
> makerspace (tooling, advanced manufacturing, etc).
>
> 3. Scale up and move the land based technologies into the ocean and sub
> ocean. This serves to weatherize/ air proof/ etc our technologies.
>
> 4. Stage four is gravity proofing. Zero G pumping, vibration, liquid air
> separation, temp swing, and many other problems are then solved
> and integrated into existing open source products.
>
>  This is a big step, from here we bring sustainable biopod hackerspaces to
> space.
>
> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Felix Hamilton <fhamilton at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Even better than a closed cycle boat (from a ground up perspective) might
>> be doing a cut at a closed cycle RV/modular trailer system. Not only would
>> it be quite cheap to put together from the ground up, but it could be moved
>> around easily for collaborative and experimental purposes ... There is lots
>> of crossover here with various sustainable living research areas, so it
>> could be a very useful and low overhead way to get something hackerish
>> going ...
>>
>>
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>>> Sea-steading crossover would be in certain systems. Sustainable habitat
>>> design with a small footprint, waste management, food production, and
>>> small
>>> scale replication of industrial processes. If you look at their website
>>> their goal is to be independent of land based infrastructure. As an avid
>>> diver, I can tell you that the underwater environment is about as close
>>> to
>>> weightlessness as you can get. The issues of decompression, bends, and
>>> other pressure sicknesses apply in space as much as underwater. Thier
>>> habitats must be water proof, and if its water proof its air proof. Think
>>> about a sail boat. How long can you last without going ashore for fuel
>>> and
>>> water, dumping waste(assuming you dont use the ocean as a dumping ground,
>>> hence the sustainble part)? One stepwise goal could be to design a close
>>> cycle boat for 1 man and send him around for a while. Initial projects
>>> could be aspects of that entire system. Toilets, waste processing, micro
>>> showers, food production systems, air handling systems, ect. You would
>>> need
>>> to process waste, capture water, control atmosphere, do hydroponics, ect
>>> in
>>> space and seasteaders would need similar tech. This would allow us to
>>> test
>>> habitat level 1 tech readiness technology without the cost of booting it
>>> to
>>> space. First test on ground, then at sea, then in space. NASA does the
>>> same
>>> thing that's what Aquarius was for. Navel engineering is not even close
>>> to
>>> the state where it can be considered a closed ecological system. They
>>> dump
>>> their waste at sea, they burn insane amounts of fuel to make water, cook
>>> food, ect. They desalinate water instead of processing their waste water,
>>> ect.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 7:00 AM, Matt Johnson <railmeat at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Cole, I cannot think of much tech that could cross over from
>>> > seasteading to spacesteading. The seasteaders have it easy they rely
>>> > on navel architecture, as well understood and established engineering
>>> > domain. Not much technical research is required.
>>> >
>>> > They are much more ambitious in the political, legal, social and
>>> > economic realms. I am sure spacesteaders will be able to learn a lot
>>> > from seasteaders in those areas.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Matt Johnson
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 5:08 PM, cole santos <cksantos85 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > > Seasteading has almost identical needs as spacesteading in theory it
>>> > easyer
>>> > > to develop. Perhaps it could be a stepwise goal. A lot of tech could
>>> > cross
>>> > > over.
>>> > >
>>> > > On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:29 AM, Jerry Isdale <jerry at mauimakers.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >>
>>> > >> There was an interesting talk at 100YSS on SeaSteading ...
>>> homesteaders
>>> > >> going to sea... or under it.
>>> > >>     http://lmgtfy.com/?q=seasteading
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Definitely an option to investigate.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Jerry Isdale
>>> > >> http://MauiMakers.com
>>> > >> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>
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