[SpaceProgram] Underwater laboratory for Space exploration

cole santos cksantos85 at gmail.com
Sat Aug 4 20:40:57 CEST 2012

The state of hawaii is the first in america to lease seafloor space,
albeit for open ocean farm cages. There is an extensive diving
community and support in hawaii. This would be a great opportunity if
we could find a way to get it here. IF not then a few propane tanks
welded together may suffice.....

On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Joel C. Salomon <joelcsalomon at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 9:30 PM, Matt Joyce <matt at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>> Data classification ( basically what ITAR is ) has no real relevance to
>> anything.  It's pure bureaucratic overhead.  There has been repeated calls
>> for reform in this arena.
>> much like reforming tax law... there's no incentive for anyone to actually
>> do their job on this one.  so it stays horribly broken.
> It’s worse than you think. (Cue Malcolm Reynolds: “It usually is.”)
> The companies that are—on paper, at least—most affected by this aspect of
> ITAR are the large aerospace firms. But—
> They have in-house expertise and so have less need to discuss technology
> with outsiders on the internet;
> They don’t want to risk lucrative contracts by bringing Constitutional
> free-speech claims against ITAR;
> They have the lawyers and connections to get waivers for ITAR more easily
> than the independent operators & hackerspaces can; and therefore
> They see regulations like ITAR as ways to keep new competition from growing
> large enough to challenge them.
> Combine these, and you find that there’s real incentive for people to lobby
> to keep these laws horribly broken.
> —Joel
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