[SpaceProgram] Underwater laboratory for Space exploration

[Matt Joyce]

Data classification ( basically what ITAR is ) has no real relevance to
anything.  It's pure bureaucratic overhead.  There has been repeated calls
for reform in this arena.

much like reforming tax law... there's no incentive for anyone to actually
do their job on this one.  so it stays horribly broken.

-Matt

On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 4:54 PM, David <ainut at hiwaay.net> wrote:

>  The gubmnt PGP fiasco (waste of our tax dollars) doesn't appear to be
> similar to talking about or researching mundane space and sea livability
> problems.  (I only use the term mundane in the sense that survival is a
> minute-by-minute issue in those environments, therefore very common.)
>
> David M.
>
>
>
> Matt Joyce wrote:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phil_Zimmermann
>
> Probably the most famous ITAR case in tech.
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 11:32 AM, jrs <jrs at mach30.org> wrote:
>
>> This is J. Simmons from Mach 30 (http://mach30.org/).  To answer the
>> question about fines and jail time for ITAR violations, check out this part
>> of the Wikipedia article to get an idea of how far the US government will
>> go to enforce it.
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations#Enforcement
>>
>>
>>  For more info, check out the Annotated ITAR (
>> http://www.ndia.org/Resources/ExportImportComplianceResources/Pages/AnnotatedITAR.aspx).
>>  And you can see Mach 30's strategy for dealing with ITAR here (
>> http://mach30.org/2011/10/25/what-about-itar/).  As a side note, the
>> idea of developing technology for an alternate use case like underwater
>> habitats is very much in line with some of our thinking.
>>
>>   -J
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 1:14 PM, David <ainut at hiwaay.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  Um, how can that be?  Has it happened to you?
>>>
>>>
>>> David M.
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Isdale wrote:
>>>
>>>  Underwater systems are also not so readily covered under ITAR - that
>>> is USA residents can talk about the technical details on public forums,
>>> conferences, etc. Discussions of tech for space itself (eg rockets,
>>> guidance, launch etc) will quickly attract attention of US Dept of State
>>> and can result in big fines and jail time.
>>>
>>>   Jerry Isdale
>>> http://MauiMakers.com
>>> http://www.mauimakers.com/blog/thursday-public-meeting/
>>>
>>>  On Aug 1, 2012, at 7:43 PM, Paul Szymkowiak wrote:
>>>
>>> > This got me to thinking about HSP supporting underwater habitats,
>>> education and research.
>>>
>>>  +1 from me. I think that's a great way to engage the earth-bound
>>> community, and a great way to trial aspects of space-bound research prior
>>> to deployment in space.
>>>
>>>  > a neighbor who mentioned noticing my participation in the OpenROV
>>> project
>>>
>>>   Great to see the KickStarter was funded so well!
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/openrov/openrov-the-open-source-underwater-robot?
>>>
>>>
>>>  Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
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