[foodhackingbase] future possibilities and directions for food hacking base

[Kai Du]

Hi Chris,

thanks for your replies. I wrote my post in some euphoric mood (slightly 
drunk, to be honest).
Obviously I didn´t have a clue about how the FHB works.
Let´s all meet in summer, eat, talk and collect ideas.

Greetings,
Kai

Am 22.02.2015 um 18:52 schrieb Christian Pfaab:
> Hej,
>
> On 02/22/2015 08:54 AM, Kai Du wrote:
>> thank you and/or sorry for having this discussion started. Fact is, that
>> I am really excited being involved with the FHB for several reasons:
>> First is, I am trying to come to the chaos communication camp in summer.
>> My first C3-event. I really look forward to meet some of you FHB folks
>> and some podcast community members.
> The discussion is long overdue I think. More in a direction tho in what
> way FHB should evolve.
>
> And it will be awesome on camp :)
>
>> I cook for almost all my life and invent recipes for quite a while now.
>> If there was a chance to get a financial model to work for paid members
>> of the FHB I would be interested, too. My job situation changes rapidly
>> in summer and I always dreamt of working with food for money. Though I
>> am aware of the fact, that nobody (except alex) met me before of the
>> existing crew and maybe a lot of core members would be interested in a
>> job too.
> I think we maybe should start thinking about what is realistic as
> income? What needs to be paid in taxes, what needs to be paid in
> insurances. My guess is, we get 20k Euro/year per job as expenses fast.
> And we are not talking about giving someone 20k Euro/year, but more 1k
> euro/month. Rest is (legally required) overhead.
>
> In contrast to that, how much money do we have raised yet? Have we hit
> the 10k Euro mark in total yet?
>
>
> Marcel mentioned going out with a plus of a few hundred euros for 31c3.
> Sorry to say this, I see no way to finance someone from that. In
> contrast Boxes fall apart by looking at them, so that is where some
> money must be spent sooner or later. If we damage someones food
> processor at an event, I would be happy to that person for a new one.
> We, as I understand it, have no finances to do that currently.
>
>> Returning to Frantiseks question about finance I think the crowdfunding
>> idea is really nice. I read, there was a successfull funding of the
>> recent C3-activities. So there is a proof of concept this could work. I
>> guess, there is something that needs to be offered in return to make the
>> quite larger budget for paying people a loan realistic. I wondered, if a
>> audio/video podcast about food hacking could be a decent teaser for a
>> successfull project. I would apply for head of production, coordinating
>> recordings and editing of audio/video stuff around the world. I´ve got
>> some experiance in that. This could be the step from few events on C3
>> meetings to a larger scale and promotion for a larger community, too.
> That would be awesome. Keep in mind FHB has basicly no gear yet (unless
> something has changed dramatically).
>
>> Excuse me, I may be completely wrong suggesting this. This community may
>> stay a forum, in which ideas are exchanged and financial aspects are
>> secondary. I would love to do a lot of food hacking, this way or other.
>> Please share your thoughts.
>
> Financial aspects are raised quite often in terms of "how to fund next
> event".
>
> In short, I doubt FHB is the right place to create jobs as it is right
> now. IMHO we lack too much structure and have our homework to do in that
> direction if we want to handle employees/give out money w/o doing it in
> a shady way. I think we even lack decent ways of organizing ourselves to
> get us through events in a sustainable matter and not be dependent on
> goodwill.
>
> Take ohm2013 as a great example. Fenkt saved our lives by giving us
> power and tools. Stuff got carried to next event. How? Well someone took
> care of it. We learned from that, make sure fenkt is around at next event :)
>
> Same with C3 events. Frantisek glues a lot together, and if he would not
> manage it, I would not be suprised that it suddenly turns out to be
> really hard. We borrow cameras and gear, we somehow make it work. Marcel
> has been a most excellent peer since ohm and Daan is most excellent too.
> All in all, it is many helping hands.
>
> We are a good example of a somewhat chaotic group, that comes together
> for various reasons every now and then. Some work on different projects
> during events, some between events, some do other stuff. It all works
> out and it gives us a special flair.
>
> Come over to camp. Meet many nice folks. Help us work on issues you see,
> bring your ideas and maybe we can help you. In the end I am sure it will
> have a positive outcome :)
>
> Cheers,
> chris
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