[hs-equality] People at Metalab have taken issue with some incidents at 29c3

[Koen Martens]

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On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 05:58:04PM +0100, Michael Zeltner wrote:
> Excerpts from Koen Martens's message of 2013-01-05 17:17:58 +0100:
> > Anyway, in the metalab piece I see it (as usual) centers around women and
> > sexual harassment, and I feel uncomfortable entering the debate and bringing
> > discrimination of homosexual (or othersexual) to the table, because in the
> > past that has resulted in me being ridiculed and even death-threats from some
> > of these 'feminist extremist'.
> 
> It's different aspects of equality, I would be very sad if someone would want
> to exclusively claim hacker equality for any single issue other than
> recognising that we have all different needs that we would like to see
> respected. However, I recognise that this platform arose from the queer geeks
> radio shows and meetings, so if that's how the platform shall continue to
> exist, I respect that choice. It would be ludicrous for me to say otherwise.

Oh, i'm not claiming any ownership of this platform and am in no way redacting
content that goes on here. Right now there's zero content, despite my best 
intentions so i'd be the last to reject content so to say :)

> But in the Google Hangout meetup different aspects of discrimination were
> mentioned that didn't directly relate to LGBT issues - classism for example.
> It's why I brought this here. It fits into my understanding of the realm of
> this platform.

It does into mine as well, but the metalab work seems to focus on women and
sexism, and thus to me reminds more of the excluding practices some of the
more extremist feminist individuals seem to propose. 

> I think it would be great and just as important for a similar effort to happen
> to support the queer hacker community. I would love to help! But I understand
> if you feel unable to support what we have assembled so far.

I'm not unsupportive, just sad that it singles out a particular group/phenomena and 
excludes other groups.

> I don't think we have an extremist point of view in there so far? I don't think

I agree, just a very narrow focus.

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