[hackerspaces] Moderation of this list.

peter phm at riseup.net
Thu Feb 26 17:52:13 CET 2015

Also: Why are you posting this in this thread?
It belongs in the other thread if it belongs anywhere at all.

If people would just learn how lists work, we'd save a lot of time.

On 26/02/15 16:29, Colin Keigher wrote:
> Yeah. It's classic that someone who is an "independent thinker" will 
> start to accuse a mailing list of "group think". I guess if that your 
> accusation that this mailing list and the hackerspace you were 
> banished with are both examples of "group think" then I might as well 
> go and dig up your past since I am curious what got you booted in the 
> first place.
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/london-hack-space/Io8vDQvaT84
>> Peter previously received two formal warnings on 16th Jan 2015 and 
>> 18th Jan 2015 for harassment on IRC, via email, and in person as well 
>> as repeated evasion of IRC bans.
>> Peter's recent conduct after his first and second formal warnings 
>> continued to demonstrate a complete lack of respect for other 
>> members, and no ability to compromise when acting as a member of the 
>> community. We have not noted any willingness to change this attitude 
>> and the many members who have attempted to discuss it with Peter echo 
>> this.
> So from this we learn the following:
> - You were banned from IRC after being harassing and then evaded your bans
> - You harassed the hackerspace via e-mail
> - You have no ability to compromise with the hackerspace
> - You have no desire to change your behaviour
> - People have tried to mediate but you've demonstrated no desire to change
> Then we go on later into this thread to find the following:
>> It's not a case of just finding him "annoying" it's finding his
>> behaviour threatening. Peter stopped multiple people from using the
>> space because they didn't want to be around him.
> So you're obviously toxic to this hackerspace. Why are you causing 
> people to leave? I see references to you stalking them around the space.
> Then we see other examples from the mailing list of your warnings:
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/london-hack-space/peter$20meadows/london-hack-space/bDlpFC6Lg2o/4kD0zb29lYIJ
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/london-hack-space/peter$20meadows/london-hack-space/7WE1zuRWKbk/JaqLpP9Tu0QJ
> On the second link, we're referred to this page:
> https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Grievance_Procedure/Warnings_Issued
>> Harassment on IRC and in person, evasion of IRC bans.
> And then finally this:
> https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/Grievance_Procedure/Bans_Issued
>> Harassment on IRC and in person, evasion of IRC bans
> And according to this, it's valid for a year. Have you given any 
> thought to maybe taking a fucking break and seeking help?
> Also, complaining about being mean about RMS is funny when he's known 
> to be a creeper himself, has the most obnoxious conference attendance 
> requirements, and is known to eat things stuck to his foot:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I25UeVXrEHQ
> Quit posting on this mailing list, Peter. Nobody cares about your 
> plight and from all appearances your ban was more than rightfully 
> deserved.
> - Colin
> On 15-02-26 08:12 AM, peter wrote:
>> I disagree. All I've done is calmly express my ideas in the most 
>> rational way I know how.
>> I think it's a cultural problem.
>> I think it is possible and necessary to change people's minds. It 
>> will not be easy.
>> (I guess the scientists fighting religion overcame the same kind of 
>> problem).
>> Humans are tricky, and prone to violence and group-think.
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