[hackerspaces] Leadership abusing powers. Bullying. Extraordinary General Meetings.

[Red Davies]

So I'm going to regret this...

On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 12:51 PM, peter <phm at riseup.net> wrote:
> I beg to differ. I don't care what the 'law' says. I care about what is the
> right/moral thing to do.

I think we all care about what is "right/moral" Peter.  The issue of
course is that we disagree as to the right/moral thing to do in this
case.  The law is a parseable emotionless framework which is designed
to address this issue.  Is it perfect? no... but it provides a
consistent and known framework and sometimes that's the best we can
do.

> (there is no appeal process, but I can try to call an EGM, which is what I'm
> doing)

Good!

> If your government starts committing genocide, would you say 'oh well, they
> passed a law to make it legal, so there is nothing I can do?'.

I'm actually really disappointed with you that you erected that
specific straw-man.  You seem very intelligent so you know already in
advance why your argument is made of straw.

In a Hackerspace you volunteer to be a member until the bylaws as they
are written.  You are free to leave at any time.  When it comes to
government wanting to commit genocide of their own people those people
have no choice.

> I like philosophy/logic/reasoning/rhetoric/critical thinking. I think it's
> good to practise these skills, and fun to do in it's own right.

Just like sex.  I like it, I think it's good to practice and fun to do
in its own right.  That still requires however consenting parties.

>The problem is people who don't like being told why they're wrong.

Sure, nobody does.  They are however in a position of leadership and
responsibility which means that they get to make the decisions because
they're the ones that have to deal with the consequences of the wrong
decisions being made.  The members have the ability to either:

0. Hold those individuals to account when it comes time to elections.
1. Just leave and do something less boring instead.


> Why don't they be all chill and just ignore me?

... because as leaders of the organization they have to show
leadership and deal with PR.  Some allegations have to be responded
to.  If you make the same, tired assertions again and again then they
have to be answered to again and again.  This is exhausting.

There are what, over a thousand members of LHS.  Let's just take 1000
as a round number.  If every member were to take up as much resources
as you are then there wouldn't be an LHS.  That doesn't mean that
people shouldn't engage or shouldn't complain.  It means that people
should respect those people's time and not waste it over thrown away
pasta.

Proportionality please.

That's it.  Please respect the time of the volunteers.  They sacrifice
their own project time so others can work on theirs.



Red