[hackerspaces] Sex Offenders at a 'Space

[Randall Arnold]

Not sure why you addressed that overwrought bit to me, Ed.  I simply expressed
my feelings on the subject.  I stand by what I said and take offense at it being
labeled "security theater".


As for the ACLU article, something tells me that won't be the final word on the
subject.

> On February 18, 2015 at 10:35 AM Edward L Platt <ed at elplatt.com> wrote:
> 
>     If, like me, you care about protecting minor members in your space, you
> should be focusing on making sure minors are supervised. The unknown sexual
> predators are far more of a risk than the know ones.
> 
>     If you care about avoiding litigation, make sure to apply your decisions
> evenly. If you ban some people and not others, you are effectively endorsing
> everyone you don't ban, and again, registered sex offenders are not the most
> likely people to commit abuse and assaults. Also, as I mentioned before, if
> you receive any public funds, banning sex offenders is a civil rights
> violation:
> https://www.aclu-nm.org/10th-circuit-upholds-aclu-challenge-to-albuquerque-sex-offender-ban/2012/01/
> 
>     If you're putting more effort into this email thread and addressing
> specific registered sex offenders than you are into implementing and
> evaluating safe space policies for minors, you're doing little more than
> puffing your own sense of moral superiority. It's sad, but hilarious to see so
> many hackers reinventing and fervently supporting security theater.
> 
>     -Ed
> 
>     On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 10:01 AM, Randall Arnold <
> randall.arnold at texrat.net <mailto:randall.arnold at texrat.net> > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         The point's been made though: hackerspaces are not equipped to solve
> > problems of mental illness. Who among the leadership is going to judge
> > whether or not the offender will repeat, and accept the liability? How do
> > you tell if he's "still a creeper"? Is the determining factor for "kicking
> > his ass out" another molestation, this time in your hackerspace?
> > 
> > 
> >         Sorry for risking What If recursion.
> > 
> > 
> >         Anyway, like Matt said, there are mistakes and then there are
> > 'mistakes'. One has to draw a line somewhere, and I go with the thread
> > consensus on this one.
> > 
> > 
> >         Randy
> > 
> >             > > >             On February 18, 2015 at 1:48 AM Derek H <
> >             > > > dh405okc at gmail.com <mailto:dh405okc at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > 
> > >             I'm really happy for you and I. We're lucky, Matt. We aren't
> > > afflicted with a mental illness that causes inappropriate sexual
> > > attraction to those who are incapable of forming consent. That's fantastic
> > > for us, but I recognize that some are not as lucky as I in that matter.
> > > Perhaps, Matt, the only reason you haven't molested a child is because
> > > you're not mentally ill in that particular way? None of us can know for
> > > certain how we would behave if we were in someone else's shoes.
> > > 
> > >             At any rate, my only point is that the guy may well have
> > > gotten his life together and his mental state under control. As we are all
> > > just collections of flaws in a roughly bipedal shape, maybe we can be
> > > human even to those who have screwed up?
> > > 
> > >             That said, if he's still a creeper, kick his ass out. Nobody
> > > has time for that kind of disruption and risk.
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