[hackerspaces] Does the maker culture get the step on the hackers culture?

[Aurélien DESBRIÈRES]

Hackers are not Crackers.

White is not black.

Right is not Wrong.

It happen in life that things are Yes or No, and sometimes it happen the
things are maybe.

You have qualify someones who make bad things as a hackers, or a hackers
make good things.

It happen that you can make a cake or a pie both are different, that is
life.

Lot of words could represent a trouble depending how we use them
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html

Do you stand me to told you that you are right when you are wrong?


Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:

> "No, just use right words."
>
> That presupposes there are ideally "right" and "wrong" words.
>
> --Naomi


>
> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
> <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> "Recently I told to someone on the list to the importance of words."
>>>
>>> Yes, and you didn't take my point about how attempting to define a
>>> Platonic ideal of "hacker" would not solve any problems.  So let me
>>> make it another way.
>>
>> You mean Platon don't take your point about the importance of using
>> right words.
>>
>>> What are you are really talking about is weaponizing words.  You are
>>> suggesting that If Only we could come up with labels that are Really
>>> True, then we could label ourselves Hackers and easily evict The
>>> Others by simply pointing a finger and saying "those are the Crackers
>>> and they don't belong here."
>>>
>>> Here is a short list of movements that have used this technique:
>>>
>>> * witch-hunts
>>> * the McCarthy trials of the 1950s
>>> * the War on Terror
>>>
>>> In this thread you are making a much softer point about the difference
>>> between a "hackerspace" and a "makerspace".  At best, enumerating the
>>> differences between these two is an academic exercise.  At worst, this
>>> discussion only leads to extremism, pointing of fingers, and failure
>>> to find common ground.
>>>
>>> What's the point?
>>>
>>> --Naomi
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No, just use right words.
>>
>> Do not make me say what I have never say, never think.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
>>> <aurelien at hackers.camp> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> A simple question that is real.
>>>>
>>>> Google the words and look the difference.
>>>>
>>>> Recently I told to someone on the list to the importance of words.
>>>>
>>>> Or the black side stick on the hackers word seems to goes against our
>>>> culture.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
>>>> http://www.hackers.camp
>>>> Run Free - Run GNU.org
>>>>
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