[hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"

Thu Jan 30 16:35:42 CET 2014

Sorry Kevin, Homeless. English is not my first language, and i forgot the
word. In my language homeless and bums are synonymous. "Noisebridge is as
much as a hackerspace as a homeless shelter, so as a result can I consider
what you guys do as "homeless hacking"?"

And, I know homeless is not an insult in itself . But I assume no
hackerspace would like to be called a homeless shelter, because it wasn't
 meant to be one when it was build, and I don't think all the people in it
consider themselves homeless instead of hackers, and doing "homeless
hacking"

2014-01-30 Kevin Mitnick <kevin.mitnick at outlook.com>

> Please cite where I called anyone "bums". I do not deny the latter words,
> but putting "bums" in my mouth is not right.
>
>
>
> Kevin Mitnick
> (May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 11:18:32 -0300
> From: floev22 at gmail.com
>
> To: discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words
> "food" and "hacking"
>
> as Philip Im surprised that Kevin insulted a lot of people here calling
> them bums, sad, depressing, and nobody said anything back. Im trying to
> understand why. This topic is an excuse so people can say what they do in
> their hackerspacrs and get insulted back. Its a trap an2 still people
> answer things about food. Its as much of annoying that people keep arguing
> in this banal topic, not saying anything about the insults.
> El 30/01/2014 08:42, "Philip Poten" <philip.poten at gmail.com> escribió:
>
> Kevin, you're seriously annoying the shit out of me.
>
> Is it really YOU that is consistently trying to tell others how they
> should behave in a normative way?
>
> SERIOUSLY?
>
> https://campaign.soylent.me/soylent-free-your-body
>
> Please stop pissing around on everybody just trying to have fun and
> regain some sort of creativity and control over their minds and lives
> in this consumerist world.
>
> This is almost as annoying as the "true artists" that do not wish
> <craftsmanship> to be called an art.
>
> What is it with you trying to impose on the inclusionist hackerspace
> approach and the resulting self expression of others? Is it just the
> word? Then fucking buy threrealhackerspaces.org and do your thing!
> Nobody's stopping you! But the word does not belong to you, and all
> you're accomplishing is telling a lot of involved people that you
> think they are beneath your definition of hacker. The message was
> received. Now move on.
>
> Other than that, you're really not contributing *anything* with this
> lament.
>
> FFS.
>
>
> 2014-01-30 Kevin Mitnick <kevin.mitnick at outlook.com>:
> > And yet you have failed to define "food hacker" other than some ideals
> that
> > any person could crank out. The only reason why people tack "hacker" on
> to
> > things is to sound edgy in what would otherwise not be in the first
> place.
> > It's just to inflate one's ego so they can feel like they're out of the
> > mainstream when really they are just as much in it as the next person.
> >
> >
> > If anything, defining yourself as a "food hacker" or "civic hacker" for
> > example is nothing more than "ego hacking" and that is loose at best.
> >
> >
> > Quite pathetic and sad to say the least.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kevin Mitnick
> > (May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)
> >
> > ________________________________
> > Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 03:32:11 -0800
> > From: lishevita at gmail.com
> > To: discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
> >
> > Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the
> words
> > "food" and "hacking"
> >
> > Jumping into the discussion realllllllly late, but since I didn't see my
> > favorite definition of hacking and since I haven't seen anyone point out
> how
> > fucked up the exclusionary definition of hacking is, I'm going to go
> ahead
> > and jump...
> >
> > So, first off, the definition of hacking that I always share with people
> in
> > my talks is the one given by the hacker Jude Milhon who was hacking from
> the
> > late 1960s until her death in 2003:
> >
> > "Hacking is the clever circumvention of imposed limits, whether imposed
> by
> > your government, your IP server, your own personality, or the laws of
> > physics."
> >
> > In the context of food hacking, I'd like to suggest that at least some of
> > the imposed limits are those of culture. Food ways are a major aspect of
> > culture. There is also a technical aspect of food hacking which has to do
> > with chemistry and physics.
> >
> > Moving on to the issue of exclusion, please remember that the ones who
> > limited "hacking" to unauthorized use of computers were movie makers,
> > journalists and politicians, especially in the hysteria after the
> success of
> > the movie War Games in the 1980s. The community of hackers has been much
> > wider and more diverse than that from the start.
> >
> > As for the question of whether a thing is hacking or not, do not ask only
> > what the activity is, but what the philosophy and intent behind the
> activity
> > may be. It's the "food hacker" or "civic hacker" or "textile hacker"
> > subverting a dominant paradigm? Are they pushing their area of activity
> > beyond the usual boundaries? Are they, in the process of doing that
> > activity, adding to their own knowledge and understanding of how the
> thing
> > works, having at least sometimes bent the thing so far out of shape to
> break
> > it? (For how else can you know the difference between real limits and
> > artificial ones?)
> >
> > Let's keep hacking food, at Noisebridge and beyond.
> >
> > - Lisha Sterling
> >
> >
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