[hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words "food" and "hacking"

Tue Jan 28 02:22:39 CET 2014

The fascination with food arising in the hacker community is probably tied
to the subconscious notion, mainly expressed by the
singularity/transhumanist camp, that we will not need food in the future.
Yet food is one of the fundamental joys of being alive and connecting with
others. As someone who has worked extensively in the world of agriculture,
I know that the food production systems that exist on this planet are not
sustainable. It is a massively wasteful and inefficient system at cycling
nutrients, and it's holding back the evolution of our species. The better
we get at cycling nutrients, the faster the human species can progress, and
avoid becoming superseded. The industry is ripe for massive amounts of
hacking and disruption and  paradigm shifting and ... lol

If we're talking semantics, I'd say "biohacking" is a better overall term
than "food hacking".

On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Kevin Mitnick <kevin.mitnick at outlook.com>wrote:

> Frantisek,
>
> Why must you require an extra day to define "food hacking"? If it requires
> an essay to define it, does it then mean that the definition is used to
> make "cooking" sound more edgy?
>
>
> Kevin Mitnick
> (May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:40:39 -0800
> From: algoldor at yahoo.com
>
> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words
> "food" and "hacking"
> To: kevin.mitnick at outlook.com
> CC: discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
>
>
> I'm not sure how many people will respond to the "food hacker" topic, I
> will try to elaborate tomorrow on my account - if the things do not get too
> crazy, we are on a Food Hacking tour through Europe.
>
> We will definitely touch the "social/community" subject and experimental,
> tech&science&tradition. I will have to be brief because being busy, I'll
> invite few people to the discussions who I know and consider very good in
> their fields of expertise - within the food&beverage&bio hacking,
>
> I consider myself promoter and project starter/manager, with expertise in
> applied probiotics and prebiotics, which is within the food&beverage and
> bio hacking field
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
>
>   On Monday, January 27, 2014 11:06 PM, Kevin Mitnick <
> kevin.mitnick at outlook.com> wrote:
>  I took a look at your website and question hacked whether or not you
> could actually describe "food hacking" based on what content you had
> provided. In my analysis hack, I determined that you have yet to define
> what you actually do but have no problem accepting donations for this.
>
> As a supposed prominent hacker in the food hacking scene (if I dare call
> it that), can you elaborate what it is that you exactly do? Can you
> adequately define "food hacking"?
>
> Kevin Mitnick
> (May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:59:16 -0800
> From: algoldor at yahoo.com
> To: discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words
> "food" and "hacking"
>
> food, beverage and bio hacking will be one of the most prominent areas of
> "expertise" in hacker movement as in many other "organizations" where we
> can see it already now
>
> I like to see food hacking as a combination of ancient knowledge, today's
> scientific understanding and technology, it should bring together these
> three contributing to all communities involved, as for example hackers and
> the "organic, Fare Trade, slow food" etc. movement
>
> I've seen people doing amazing things in the food, beverage and bio
> hacking and I'm looking forward to help to make it happen in next years and
> decades, the importance and benefit to the "human communities" are
> definitely there
>
> Sincerely from LUGoNS, Novi Sad, Serbia,
>
> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>
>
> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>
>
> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>
>
> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
>
>
>   On Monday, January 27, 2014 10:02 PM, Kevin Mitnick <
> kevin.mitnick at outlook.com> wrote:
>  This is what we call "sleep hacking" or "lease hacking", something a
> very famous hackerspace is known for.
>
> I am glad to see so many e-mail hackers responding on this hacker mailing
> list. After I had some sandwiches made in my food hacking lab (known as a
> "kitchen" by others), I decided to be a furniture hacker by sitting down
> and then keyboard hacked this e-mail message.
>
> Right now I am picture hacking some images for Flickr (also known as using
> Photoshop) and later today I'll do some road hacking to perform some more
> food hacking at my local food hacking supply store.
>
> Kevin Mitnick
> (May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:42:40 -0500
> From: matt at nycresistor.com
> To: discuss at lists.hackerspaces.org
> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] Let's end the unnecessary joining of the words
> "food" and "hacking"
>
> I mean, there's food hacking, then there's that guy who uses the
> hackerspace kitchen to fix his top ramen before heading back to his sleep
> hacking pod hidden under the building elevator.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Florencia Edwards <floev22 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Kevin I laughed so much with your new definitions for the wiki, please
> send the link when you've changed it.
>
>
> 2014-01-27 Adam Mayer <phooky at gmail.com>
>
> sed s/food hacking/meat cleaving/g
>
> On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Peter <ernstpeterboehm at gmail.com> wrote:
> > in german, "hack" or "hackfleisch" also means minced meat, hash,
> groundmeat.
> > a "hamburger" is made of spiced "hackfleisch", the meat is
> > "gehackt"/"hacked" before formed into this round meatloaf.
> >
> > a meatloaf itself is a "hackbraten".
> >
> > raw minced pork meat, sometimes seasonend with onions, is called
> > "Hackepeter", it is eaten raw (not my taste).
> >
> > not only meat gets hacked in germany, also wood. here "hacken" means "to
> > chop, chip, cut, hackle, or hack".
> >
> > then there is "die Hacke", english "the hoe", a gardening tool to
> cultivate
> > your vegetables. Also "hacken" means "to pick, peck" - this is more a
> birdy
> > thing.
> >
> > so.. "Foodhacks" and other hacks are quite traditional here in krautland.
> > the whole molecular gastronomy thingy could be seen as foodhacking.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy
> >
> > Greetings and bon appetit,
> >
> > peter
> >
> >
> > On 01/27/2014 07:17 AM, Kevin Mitnick wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi everyone,
> >>
> >> I am going to open this e-mail thread up with the following definition
> >> from the Oxford dictionary:
> >>
> >> "[...] gain unauthorized access to data in a system or computer [...] a
> >> piece of computer code providing a quick or inelegant solution to a
> >> particular problem"
> >>
> >> Source:
> >> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/hack?q=hacking
> >>
> >> I then go and look up the definition of "food hacking" and the best I
> >> can find is this description from Reddit:
> >>
> >> "Food hacks is a place to share quick and simple tips on making food
> >> that has more flavor, more nutritional value, or both"
> >>
> >> Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/FoodHacks
> >>
> >> Let's look at this real closely here:
> >>
> >> - Where does "food hacking" come into play where we're getting
> >> unauthorized access to something?
> >> - Where does "food hacking" provide a quick or inelegant solution to a
> >> particular problem?
> >> - How does the Reddit definition of "food hacking" fit into these
> >> previous questions?
> >> - Why do people who are playing with their food want to be a part of the
> >> hacking scene? What should we call it?
> >>
> >> To address the first question, I am not seeing how "unauthorized access"
> >> is occurring here. When we go and buy a head of lettuce or a box of
> >> cereal, likely we've paid for it or if we haven't, it wasn't stolen from
> >> some other hungry person. All we're doing when we're playing with our
> >> food is making it, baking it, cooking it, and or eating it.
> >>
> >> Does "food hacking" provide an inelegant solution to a particular
> >> problem? Not really. When you make food you're making it, not hacking
> >> it. Perhaps "hacking" could apply if you're inelegantly taking apart a
> >> steak or some sort of fruit or vegetable, but at no point are you
> >> providing a solution to a problem. Is the invention of modern fast food
> >> a "food hack" by that standard? Or is the gradual adoption of automated
> >> convenience stores that provide you with whatever without any human
> >> intervention other than your own a "food hack"? It does allow for a
> >> quick solution to getting your food.
> >>
> >> If we look at how Reddit defines a "food hack", we see that we're making
> >> food with more flavor or better nutritional value. If I go buy some
> >> Hamburger Helper and add avocado to it or add whey protein to chocolate
> >> milk, is that "hacking"? What if I make some Betty Crocker cake and add
> >> whey to that instead? Is that a "food hack"? Because of the vagueness
> >> that the Reddit definition provides and the definition of what "hacking"
> >> is, why don't we call it baking, cooking, or mixing? Do we call chefs or
> >> my dad cooking on the barbecue with his "secret sauce" a food hacker?
> >>
> >> I get the impression that people who call themselves "food hackers" call
> >> themselves that because they want to be considered a part of the "hacker
> >> movement". Why don't those of you who identify with this moniker just
> >> call yourself a "cook", "chef", "baker", "maker", or whatever instead?
> >> Why don't you instead call the food "food" or if you really want it to
> >> be associated with the hacker scene, "food for hackers"? Is that hard?
> >> You're not a hacker and you dilute the term for those of us who are
> >> hackers.
> >>
> >> Food for thought. Do not take offense to this if you find it hits too
> >> close to home.
> >>
> >> Kevin Mitnick
> >> (May or may not be the Kevin you think I am)
> >>
> >>
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