[hackerspaces] what is your opinion about the closing of 3rd ward?

john lunger justj1915 at yahoo.com
Tue Oct 15 03:31:17 CEST 2013

Thank you William for that really awesome email. It has given me a lot to chew on. 

So I have a question for Artisan Asylum people --I have had numerous people about what about the SQUARE. 
Was it a group of people who designed it within the Hackerspace and how do guys share the profits made from it?
Does any of the money return back to the hackerspace?


On Monday, October 14, 2013 6:19 PM, john lunger <justj1915 at yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Lisha:
 Yes I have met Matt Senate at Sudo room and Marina. Matt and Mitch Altman were both at my house. Totally nice and cool people. Unfortunately my kids were banned there during the Sudo Kids time due to their nutso landlord so I won't be able to head back there. My kids and I are completely heartbroken. 
We go to Ace Monster Toys very regularly because of Hacker Scouts. My kids are very involved with Hacker Scouts. Hence why I am trying to start something in Hayward so we don;t have to commute. 

Yes Hayhackers is currently fiscally sponsored by The School Factory. 
But finding the time to set up the joint video with James Carlson has been challenging for our group. 
If you know anyone who might be interested in being on our board, let me know. I am so interested having more people join our board other than the crazies who have tried to ask me out even though they know I am married with kids and NOT interested and the greedies who want it to be FOR PROFIT. We have currently one male-my husband and two other ladies. 

I would be interested in checking out the other places but really hard when I have the kids with me all day long-we homeschool plus I really don;t want to be stuck in the same predicament as what happened at Sudo Room. The landlord went a bit ballastic when my kids were there. My two kids still talk about it and still have PTSD from it I guess. 


On Monday, October 14, 2013 3:25 PM, Lisha Sterling <lishevita at gmail.com> wrote:

On 14 October 2013 14:41, john lunger <justj1915 at yahoo.com> wrote:

My opinion:
> We are planning to start a new hackerspace in Hayward, CA. 
>I can't tell you how many people kept coming to me to NOT make it a 501c3.
            There are ways to be a non-profit without the full burden of becoming a 501c3 of your own. You could join up with School Factory to get the benefits of being a 501c3 and the community of hackerspaces around the country to help you with advice and ideas. (http://schoolfactory.org)

             As for the question of non-profit or for-profit, the difference has more to do with where the money goes, not where it comes from. If you are a non-profit, your profits go back into the services you exist to provide. If you are for-profit your profits go to shareholders. 

              If you haven't done so already, do go hang out with the folks at Mothership Hackermoms (Berkeley near Ashby BART), Ace Monster Toys (Oakland), Sudoroom (downtown Oakland near 19th Street BART ), LOLspace (near Fruitvale BART in Oakland) and Noisebridge (Mission district in San Francisco, right near 16th St BART), and pick their brains about what's working and not working for them. They are ALL great communities that are dealing with the issues of money and responsibility in different ways. You'll also find that the leadership in these places will tend to be very supportive of your work to start your own space, so don't worry about someone getting weird about another hackerspace being "competition" or something stupid like that. Get all the advice you can, and then pick the path that you think will work best for your own circumstances.

Good luck to you!

- Lisha 

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