[hackerspaces] Women in Makerspaces

Fri Jan 18 00:54:28 CET 2013

I like and respect when people take an attack and respond with a smile.
What a great way to diffuse a potential confrontational situation. This
might be weird, but yo, here's the qur'an:
http://quran.com/25/63
"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth
easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of]
peace"

Kinda cute, I think. Weird to quote a religious text, maybe.

I do know that in general I am a total push over, but I also think it might
be a nice wooshy way to be. Kinda like seaweed. Who hates seaweed?
Delicious!
+BG

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Al Billings <albill at openbuddha.com> wrote:

> Lyra++
>
> --
> Al Billings
> http://www.openbuddha.com
> http://makehacklearn.org
>
> On Thursday, January 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:
>
> It might be an artifact of your social position in Amerika, Mr. Joyce,
> as a white cismale who presents heteronormatively, that you believe
> 'being nice' carries no added cost.
>
> Or it's an artifact of my position that any dissent is automatically
> regarded as socially unacceptable - since women are always supposed to
> 'be nice' and in fact in professional settings are statistically more
> frequently punished, reprimanded, and fired for displaying the same
> 'assertive' behaviors which are rewarded in men.
>
> When I find myself surrounded by people who evidence an informed respect
> and understanding for me, my people, and the enormity of our oppression,
> i find it
>
> so
>
> much
>
> easier
>
> to be nice.
>
> Yes, in general, I think people should be nice. Should women who are
> being spoken to condescendingly be nice? How nice? How about people of
> color who are being spoken to in a racist manner? How about trans
> people being subject to hate speech? Where is the line?
>
> I think *you* should be nice, because Amerika has heard plenty of your
> flavor of truth. I think I should be honest.
>
> R.
>
> On 1/17/2013 2:51 PM, Matt Joyce wrote:
>
> Cost nothing to be nice to each other.
>
> On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 2:46 PM, rachel lyra hospodar
> <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "It could be that she host a class about e-textiles or whatever it is
> females like to talk about."
>
> *headdesk*
>
> protip - sometimes women focus on the textile stuff *because* then they can
> be in a group that is at least 15% women. The Feminist Hacker Hive that
> meets up at noisebridge has found that there is a tipping point - if a
> critical mass of women are present in conversation, they don't get
> interrupted by clueless neanderthal types.
>
> I used to make a living as a carpenter, welder, and construction manager. I
> left that work because of gender and age based disrespect.
>
> I sniffed around the edges of Silicon Valley but didn't dive in for the
> same
> reasons. I do work in soft circuitry now, but it's not because rigid
> circuits are too difficult. It's a brute-force solution designed to avoid
> people as condescending as you, david.
>
> If the tech industry truly wants to innovate on things like interface we
> could do with re-examining how people interact, and what we are really
> seeking. To do that, though, we have to change the culture.
>
> R.
>
>
> On 1/17/2013 8:26 AM, David Powell wrote:
>
>
> At Baltimore Hackerspace we have been 100% male until last month. We had
> the occasional Female come through the door but for whatever reason they
> never come back. We now have exactly 1 female member and about 20 male
> members. The males ALWAYS go out of their way to make the place more
> female friendly. For example we try hard not to use inappropriate
> language around females. Whenever they show a desire to learn something
> we stop what we are doing and teach them whatever it is they want to
> know. At the end of the night when they are leaving we always have
> someone walk them to their car so they feel safe.
>
> I highly encourage all members of our space no matter what their gender
> is to make it their own. For example we have Programmers, Electronic
> Engineers, Mechanical Engineers, Accountants, Students, etc. and you can
> pick anyone person from any of those backgrounds and they could tell you
> a subject that they just don't care about. So if a programmer wants more
> programmers to talk to and hang out with I encourage them to send out a
> few e-mails and become more active online in order to help find more
> people interested in programming. I don't however expect the mechanical
> engineers to go find programmers if they have no interest in learning to
> program.
>
> I would say the same should be true with the female/male issue. If a
> hackerspace has one female and she wants more females in the hackerspace
> then she should start a campaign to find more females. It could be that
> she host a class about e-textiles or whatever it is females like to talk
> about.
>
> If a female in the hackerspace wants to be on our board I would gladly
> accept them but I would hold them to the same standards as I hold
> everyone. As a board member you are "Responsible" for the future of the
> hackerspace. This means a lot of work that really sucks. For us it is
> not just making decisions but actually getting the work done. For
> example we need brochures made to hand out to people who are coming
> through our door for the first time and at special events. Ok we voted
> that we need those. Now what? Well, someone has to actually design and
> make the things. But we don't have a budget to just pay a designer. So
> the person in charge of making it happen has to find someone with the
> talent to make it happen or figure out how to do it themselves. "But I
> just want to hack" is usually what most people say. Nobody wants to
> actually do anything the is important. They want to do what is fun at
> the time.
>
> As the president I spend about 40 hours a week making sure the finances
> are straight, making sure our social media is up to date, sending out
> request to try and get us stuff that we can't afford, making sure the
> place is clean for the next wave of new people who come through the
> door, making sure the projector works for the classes we host, making
> sure the refrigerator gets stocked with soda. I could keep going.
>
> My point is it does not matter what gender you are. It matters whether
> or not you actually do work which contributes to the future of the
> space. If you want more women then go find them. If you want more say in
> what is going on then offer to help take care of some of the task that
> need to be accomplished.
>
>
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