[hackerspaces] Discuss Digest, Vol 53, Issue 46
Faruq Hunter
faruqh at gc-usa.com
Tue Jan 15 22:11:08 CET 2013
Group,
There is a discussion happening among the international Ambassadors for the
Seasteading institute to have what is being lightly dubbed as "GeekStead".
A three day hackers camp that will happen throughout the world at the same
time. The concept extends the Seasteading Institutes thoughts that slightly
out at sea us hackers are under our own set of laws. For three days we will
establish the nation of hackers, makers and geeks run officially under our
own law.
We are fishing the idea around (haha.. no pun intended) but I would really
like feedback from the hacker/maker community in this group to see if it is
something of interest.
Faruq
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> 1. Re: memorial hackathons for Aaron Swartz (Bryan Bishop)
> 2. Re: memorial hackathons for Aaron Swartz (Walter van Holst)
> 3. Re: How do you define quorum for your space? (Tim Saylor)
> 4. Re: How do you define quorum for your space? (Mark Atwood)
> 5. Re: How do you define quorum for your space? (Bill French)
> 6. Re: memorial hackathons for Aaron Swartz (Edward L Platt)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 11:28:50 -0600
> From: Bryan Bishop <kanzure at gmail.com>
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> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:15 AM, Ed Summers <ehs at pobox.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know what day Aaron's court case was set to start? I heard
> > it was in two weeks? Perhaps it would interesting to see if we could
> > set a time for these hackathons to coincide with that date? Or perhaps
> > that's in bad taste, or asking for too much coordination?
>
> I like that idea. But if that can't be coordinated, maybe it should
> just be two pushes, so that the second one on the right date can have
> more results for people to play with. Not sure.
>
> - Bryan
> http://heybryan.org/
> 1 512 203 0507
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> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 19:05:17 +0100
> From: Walter van Holst <walter at revspace.nl>
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> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] memorial hackathons for Aaron Swartz
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> On 2013-01-15 10:49, Yan Zhu wrote:
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> > If you're interested in organizing one at your local hackerspace, let
> > me know and I'll add you to the organizers list.?
>
> Being not much of a hacker, let alone a software hacker, may I humbly
> suggest that the theme of the hackathon should be screenscrapers aimed
> at liberating data, information and knowledge?
>
> Regards,
>
> Walter
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> Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 12:36:46 -0600
> From: Tim Saylor <tim.saylor at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [hackerspaces] How do you define quorum for your space?
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> Pumping Station: One started out with direct democracy for all decisions
> and 50% of members for quorum, with 7 days advanced notice of a vote. As
> we grew, that was too high a barrier and we couldn't get enough people in
> the room to vote on obvious yesses. So we lowered it to 33% and added some
> other silly exceptions that are so silly I won't bother mentioning them.
> Then we could run votes easily, but because of direct democracy we had too
> many votes about trivial obvious things (like should we buy light bulbs to
> replace the burned out ones) so nobody cared about voting. We amended the
> bylaws to empower the board to make decisions and spend money on things
> like shop maintenance and repair, office and legal expenses, and basically
> everything but buying new tools or building new facilities over $300. From
> what I've heard of other spaces we're likely to raise that number as the
> members get comfortable with trusting the board.
>
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 8:53 AM, Pete Prodoehl <raster at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > Milwaukee Makerspace used to discuss issues at the Tuesday meeting, and
> > then have everyone vote on things (either online, or in person) but as we
> > grew, that became unwieldy, and eventually we moved to a 7-person Board
> of
> > Directors to help manage the decision making. Small decisions are decided
> > by the Board, like who to use for trash collection, or who to choose as
> our
> > ISP, and we welcome input from the members. For larger decisions, the
> Board
> > takes it to the membership as a whole for discussion/comments/ideas and
> > then the Board decides on it. We found that most people want to show up
> and
> > make things, and arguing about every little thing needed to keep the
> space
> > running was best left to a small group. (Also the Board Members serve a
> > one-year term, and they are elected by the members.)
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > On 1/15/13 7:13 AM, Sean Bonner wrote:
> >
> > At Crash Space for most things we have a "We make decisions on Tuesday
> > nights, if you want to be a part of a decision show up on Tuesday night,
> if
> > you aren't there Tuesday you can't critique or argue about a decision
> made
> > by the people who did show up" policy. It works really well.
> >
> > -s
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Bacon Zombie <baconzombie at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> It depends of what the decision is over.
> >>
> >> In TOG Dublin if it involves using TOG money or exclusive use of a
> >> room/area then a "Consensus proposal" is sent to the members mailing
> >> list outline what you want to do and what resources you want to use
> >> and people have 7 days to lodge objections.
> >>
> >> But there is some items that due to the wording of our constitution
> >> they need to discuses and decisioned during an AGM or EGM.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 15 January 2013 12:58, Bill French <william.french at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Greetings from heavily armed and definition crazed America.
> >> >
> >> > How are you all defining quorum for your spaces? I'd love to hear any
> >> > backstory.
> >> >
> >> > Since decision making seems to be kryptonite for hacker types, we're
> >> > thinking of something along the lines of "whoever the fuck decides to
> >> show
> >> > up for decision night".
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> On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:58 AM, Bill French <william.french at gmail.com>
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> > Greetings from heavily armed and definition crazed America.
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> > How are you all defining quorum for your spaces? I'd love to hear any
> > backstory.
>
> At our hackerspace, the "decision making body" is the set of LLC members.
>
> We have many "members", but only a small handful of LLC
> "member-owner-partners". Sometimes I get asked "what does a
> member-owner get that at regular member does not", and my answer is
> "we get to pay more, be liable for the rent, and be exposed to more
> risk", which usually ends that conversation.
>
> As a matter of tradition and policy, we try to make as few decisions
> and write as few rules as possible. There are costs and annoyances to
> that, but we generally feel that it's worth it. Nobody likes rules
> lawyers.
>
> When we do have to have a discussion or make a decision, it generally
> happens on a special mailing list, and typically what happens is
> someone points out an issue, and suggests a course of action. Either
> everyone else says "yeah, good idea, I agree", or else someone may
> point out a complication, it goes around a few times, until everyone
> says "yeah, good idea, I agree".
>
> Having a very small group of people who dont like being rules lawyers
> and who just want to do cool shit makes things happen pretty well.
>
>
> I once attended a Noisebridge meeting: a double room full of SF
> hippygeeks who were trying to come to a consensus about which was the
> more socially responsible and ecologically right. I wanted to knaw my
> leg off to get away. These people were awesome, in the individual and
> in the small-group, but large group consensus decision process is an
> astounding mix of tedious and irritating, especially once you throw in
> some rules lawyers and some people who want to grind their axes.
>
> ..m
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> Awesome, thank you for the feedback, amazing how much we all have in
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> From: Edward L Platt <ed at elplatt.com>
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> I also highly recommend contacting groups/projects that are already doing
> work in relevant areas and asking what types of things a hackathon could
> help with.
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> -Ed
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